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When Reform were first started it was specifically as an electoral reform party - their main policy was to get rid of the FPTP system and install PR.

I don’t know where that has gone now? It was something I would have voted for.

Now their policies are rather vague.
 
I am voting for what i hope will be end of the dominance of Cons-Lab because it does not work and i hate the torys just as much as labour, we need a complete reset of politics in this country it's time for change
So again. Why reform?
Why not lib dem, or green or any other party if your goal is "not Tory or Labour"?
 
When Reform were first started it was specifically as an electoral reform party - their main policy was to get rid of the FPTP system and install PR.

I don’t know where that has gone now? It was something I would have voted for.

Now their policies are rather vague.
Lib Dems have wanted PR for decades. Nothing new here.
But Lib Dems also have other policies on all parts of government.

I shudder to think what would happen if Reform got power, changed to PR and we're then given basically free licence to do whatever they fancied at the time because they never had a plan beyond "PR".
 
This sums it up for me - "Rishi Sunak is attempting to blame the British people for his own government's failures on the economy and the NHS and it simply won't wash."
Ed Davey said the speech was "desperate" when millions are unable to access NHS hospitals, GPs and mental health support.
Carla Denyer said the prime minister "should be fixing the NHS... not blaming people who are ill."



Rishi Sunak wants to strip GPs of their power to sign people off work as part of a plan to tackle what he calls the UK's "sick note culture".
The prime minister claims benefits have become a "lifestyle choice" for some, causing a "spiralling" welfare bill.
If the Tories win the general election, unspecified "specialist work and health professionals" would be given the job of issuing sick notes in England.
Labour says the government has "run out of ideas".
Disability charities reacted with anger to Mr Sunak's speech, with Scope branding the plans "a full-on assault on disabled people" and suggesting they were "driven by bringing costs down rather than how we support disabled people".
In his speech, Mr Sunak said a "worrying" proportion of younger potential workers were among a record high of 2.8m people out of work as of February 2024.
"There's nothing compassionate about leaving a generation of young people to sit alone in the dark before a flickering screen watching as their dreams slip further from reach every single day," he said.

Mr Sunak also said, if the Conservatives win the general election, those who were still out of work after 12 months after support from a work coach will have "their benefits removed entirely".
He denied claims his plans lacked compassion, arguing that there would still be a "safety net" for "those who genuinely need it".
But he added: "We don't just need to change the sick note, we need to change the sick note culture so the default becomes what work you can do - not what you can't."
Mr Sunak said not acting would be "irresponsible" when he claimed the current £17.6bn personal independence payments (PIP) bill is forecast to rise by more than 50% over the next four years.
Part of that change would be more "objective assessment", Mr Sunak said, claiming the system is currently being "undermined" by "subjective and unverifiable claims" about capability.
The government will launch a consultation on toughening up the eligibility criteria for PIP by demanding "greater medical evidence" about the type and severity of mental health conditions.

'Ongoing onslaught'

"All of which will make the system fairer and harder to exploit," said Mr Sunak, adding PIP bank transfers could be replaced by "access to treatment like talking therapies or respite care".
However, Mr Sunak was unable to provide any details about which "specialist professionals" would be given the job of issuing fit notes and whether they would have to be recruited.
Richard Kramer, chief executive at disability charity Sense, said the speech was "unbelievably damaging and unhelpful" and falsely portrayed disabled people "as shirkers" when many want to work but are prevented from doing so by negative attitudes, unfair recruiting practices and a lack of support and equipment.
"The government's ongoing onslaught on disabled people is hard to watch, with the prime minister today taking aim at people who are long-term sick in a cruel speech demonising people with 'sick notes'," he added.
NHS data showed almost 11m fit notes were issued last year in England, with 94% of those signed "not fit for work".
A call for evidence will be published on Friday seeking responses from healthcare professionals, employers, and those with lived experiences asking how the current process works and how it can be improved.

'Locked out of work'

Labour leader Keir Starmer said the PM's announcement was a "reheated version" of something the government announced seven years ago, a reference to a policy announced by then-PM Theresa May in 2017.
This was in contrast to Labour's "laser-like focus" to deal with "the problem of people getting back into work," he added.
"The big problem here, frankly, is that the government has broken the NHS and waiting lists are up... so that's where the focus needs to be," he said, adding "It's no good talking about the problem - what we need is action".
Liberal Democrat Leader
He said: "Rishi Sunak is attempting to blame the British people for his own government's failures on the economy and the NHS and it simply won't wash."
Green Party co-leader Carla Denyer said the prime minister "should be fixing the NHS... not blaming people who are ill."
She added: "We would invest in mending the health and social care system, not denying people the right to see a GP when they need it."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68853166
 
What i would like to know is what qualifications are the people who are going to decide the doctor was wrong going to have and are they going to be independent, i bet not.

I heard a part of the Sunak speech earlier he said people receiving PIP for mental health problems has doubled i notice he didn't say that the problem can be linked to the state of the NHS and mental health support as Ed Davey said above -

millions are unable to access NHS hospitals, GPs and mental health support.
 
What i would like to know is what qualifications are the people who are going to decide the doctor was wrong going to have and are they going to be independent, i bet not.

I heard a part of the Sunak speech earlier he said people receiving PIP for mental health problems has doubled i notice he didn't say that the problem can be linked to the state of the NHS and mental health support as Ed Davey said above -
Exactly the very idea that a pen pusher can over rule a qualified medical professional is utterly ridiculous in every aspect, do this mob know no shame they will sink to every level its sickening.
I have seen this attack on benefits many a time, yes there are those whose choose not to work I do not deny that, but they are never the ones that seem to be punished in the scatter gun approach.
As usual do not address the core issue ie the appalling state of the NHS and I mean the wider NHS the community the after care the follow up all the services that they stripped out over the last 2 decades.
its not rocket science you destroy preventative healthcare then stand back with shock when front line health care gets over whelmed.
The saddest part is that money has been spent but seems to make no difference at all.
We need fresh ideas and approaches before things are broken beyond repair.
 
Yes, it's the workshy sicknotes that are causing the UK to be unproductive.
Not the rampant cost of living increases.
Not the exiting of the EU and failure to deliver anything like the trade promises that were made.
Not the austerity cuts to the NHS and other services.

The dumb thing here is that part of the reason that GPs are signing people off in record numbers is because NHS services are squeezed so hard they only get a few minutes per appointment to help a patient and mental health services have been cut. So when you turn up to a GP and say you're depressed/stressed/anxious they've barely got time to give you a leaflet about CBT and sign you off for two weeks, let alone actually dive into the problem to try and help with the root cause.
 
I can just see it now, everybody up in harms when the nhs is gone, why o why are the public not doing what the eco warriors are doing, lets pretend we are French one day a week block every major road in the country that should sort it but no we will do as we always do sod all
 
GPs are signing people off in record numbers is because NHS services are squeezed so hard they only get a few minutes per appointment to help a patient and mental health services have been cut.

Round here its almost impossible to get an appointment so you get a few minutes on a video call how is a doctor supposed to be sure the person is genuinely ill or putting it on if they dont see them face to face?
 
I didn't think it was possible, but he's doing worse than Trusspicalypse

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At this rate, reform will be the official opposition party after the next election and the Tories will have single digit numbers of MPs!
 

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