Your views on how the Tories have handled Coronavirus.

[Brewnaldo]

Straight from the mouth of the left.
Boris has done a fantastic job and has acted correctly backing Cummings. He has made a point that our leftie, anti-British media isn't going to dictate how our country is run. It's no secret that this is all about trying to force an extension to negotiations.
Maybe when Blair & Cambell are at least imprisoned for their war crimes, Cummings should be asked to resign.

Surprised to see Foxy like this post when it contains talk like "it's no secret that this is all about trying to force an extension".

I have expected to see a call for sources there given how non secret it is.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Surprised to see Foxy like this post when it contains talk like "it's no secret that this is all about trying to force an extension".

I have expected to see a call for sources there given how non secret it is.

Foxy likes any right wing comments and only asks for prove if he is loosing the argument lol.

 

[Brewnaldo]

Foxy likes any right wing comments and only asks for prove if he is loosing the argument lol.

Ok, noted.

I will do the call for sources then. I would like to see proof that the media attention on Cummings is about Brexit, and not about reflected the rage of a Nation who have collectively followed the rules, with thousands upon thousands, maybe even millions, with more to come, stories of huge personal cost.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Ok, noted.

I will do the call for sources then. I would like to see proof that the media attention on Cummings is about Brexit, and not about reflected the rage of a Nation who have collectively followed the rules, with thousands upon thousands, maybe even millions, with more to come, stories of huge personal cost.

All this bias media is spin by the government and their supporters. Never any talk of media bias when the right wing papers were attacking Corbyn was there.

 

[terrym]

My God is this still rumbling on.
Haven't you folks got anything better to do?
Have you run out of beer to drink?

 

[Brewnaldo]

My God is this still rumbling on.
Haven't you folks got anything better to do?
Have you run out of beer to drink?

This is the thread for it to rule on in, to be fair.

But no. I dont have any beer

 

[Druncan]

Aye @terrym !!!

Right that's it you are all banned from this thread for wasting time when should be brewing or cleaning that skanky filthy FV. Get your priorities right

 

[the_quick]

I have plenty of beer, but don't want to become an alcoholic, so I drink with moderation.

My views why Tories managed the crisis badly:
- epidemic preparedness was really badly managed for years, PPE equipment not stocked to proper level - as per recommendation after 2017 dry test run - cherry on top, counting each glove as 1 item of PPE
- lack of testing in early stages and keep lying about it - again not prepared
- lies about number of test - they said they will test 100k people by end of May - just to change it to number of tests - and then they included number of test that have been posted to people - some of which will not be returned.
- counting one test twice, as there were 2 swabs (article in Telegraph)
- abandoning track and trace to early (in March)
- not protecting care homes like they claim they did
- under funding NHS for years resulting in lack of sufficient number of staff and beds in hospitals
- highest number of dead people in Europe so far

All above are facts easy to verify. I can't say that Labour government would have done better job - no one can know that. I hope they would.
Latest stunt with Dominic Cummings cause huge damaged to the trust in the government and instructions they give - there are polls about it.
People are angry with current government, there is no way it can be denied. And it doesn't help when top minister keep lying to the public

 

[An Ankoù]

I can't say that Labour government would have done better job - no one can know that. I hope they would.

We'll never know. I think we can speculate that on the one hand, Jeremy would have been about a million times more open and honest, and on the other that he would have had a lynching by the the "leftist"- "nigh on communist" press for everything from the shortage of boggies to geriatric mortality of any description and everything in between.
Ones thing's absolutely certain: Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party's losing the election was the luckiest day of his life. I'll bet he's still breathing a massive sigh of relief! It's a bit easier to see who the Gods of Asgard favour and who they don't even if they do move in mysterious ways.

 

[Brewnaldo]

We'll never know. I think we can speculate that on the one hand, Jeremy would have been about a million times more open and honest, and on the other that he would have had a lynching by the the "leftist"- "nigh on communist" press for everything from the shortage of boggies to geriatric mortality of any description and everything in between.
Ones thing's absolutely certain: Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party's losing the election was the luckiest day of his life. I'll bet he's still breathing a massive sigh of relief! It's a bit easier to see who the Gods of Asgard favour and who they don't even if they do move in mysterious ways.

It's just another symbol of how politics has become a tribally partisan zero sum game, that some people are keen to use "but Labour wouldn't have done any better" as an adjustment factor in measuring the performance of the Governement.

For what it's worth, I think Labour would have handled it better since they do not worship at the altar of the economy in the same way the Tories do, which likely played a huge part in delaying the neccessary measures.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I liked Jeremy as a person and I think he is a decent bloke however the guy couldn't run a bath and a lot of the party didn't like him I cannot see how he would have done any better.
This thread is going roumd in circles and new members are only adding what has already been discussed several times already, I doubt any new member has read all 600 posts before postimg so it might be a good time to bring it to a close.

 

[trueblue]

https://www.brewdog.com/uk/barnard-castle-eye-test

 

[Linalmeemow]

I liked Jeremy as a person and I think he is a decent bloke however the guy couldn't run a bath and a lot of the party didn't like him I cannot see how he would have done any better.
This thread is going roumd in circles and new members are only adding what has already been discussed several times already, I doubt any new member has read all 600 posts before postimg so it might be a good time to bring it to a close.

If you close it are you OK with any criticism of the government going into the main coronavirus thread? 'Cos that's what'll happen...

 

[MyQul]

https://www.brewdog.com/uk/barnard-castle-eye-test

Anything for a bit of publicity

 

[Chippy_Tea]

If you close it are you OK with any criticism of the government going into the main coronavirus thread? 'Cos that's what'll happen...

Good point.

The mods have to read threads especially ones like this to make sure they are staying within the rules and believe me its getting tedious reading the same old arguments over and over so maybe the best move would be to remove any new posts that discuss stuff that has already been done to death and the member posting should be sent a message explaining why the action was taken.

Surely a line could be drawn now and lets see how they handle coming out of lockdown.

 

[Linalmeemow]

Good point.

The mods have to read threads especially ones like this to make sure they are staying within the rules and believe me its getting tedious reading the same old arguments over and over so maybe the best move would be to remove any new posts that discuss stuff that has already been done to death and the member posting should be sent a message explaining why the action was taken.

Surely a line could be drawn now and lets see how they handle coming out of lockdown.

Tedious it may be, and I don't envy you the modding duties, but new issues are going to come up week in week out that people will want to discuss. Also, there aren't any rules about repetitive posts, nor should there be unless someone is spamming identical content all over the board.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

but new issues are going to come up week in week out that people will want to discuss.

I am all for that its the the repetitive stuff lack of PPE etc that has been done to death that is tedious, even the press rarely mention it now they have moved on to other shortcomings the ease of lockdown being the latest.

 

[foxy]

Foxy likes any right wing comments and only asks for prove if he is loosing the argument lol.

I don't think questioning supposition relates to losing an argument.

Surprised to see Foxy like this post when it contains talk like "it's no secret that this is all about trying to force an extension".

I have expected to see a call for sources there given how non secret it is.

I think the poster was correct Boris is doing as good a job as any, and also backing Cummings against trial by the media was the right thing. Had the police charged Cummings with an offence then he should step down. As it happened the police didn't charge him, end of story.

For what it's worth, I think Labour would have handled it better since they do not worship at the altar of the economy in the same way the Tories do, which likely played a huge part in delaying the neccessary measures.

There you go again, all your arguments is about what you think would happen. So its worth zilch.
The Labour governments of Wilson, Callaghan, Blair, Brown, have shown they can't run a country even without a crisis!

 

[Chippy_Tea]

As I said earlier Labour under Corbyn couldn't run a bath I THINK they wouldn't have done any better than this lot.

 

[Linalmeemow]

I think the poster was correct Boris is doing as good a job as any

There you go again, all your arguments is about what you think would happen. So its worth zilch.

Hoisted by your own petard...

Boris is demonstrably NOT doing as good a job as any. Britain has the second highest number of deaths from this virus in the world. There's only one world leader doing a worse job.