Would you still vote for Brexit?

[Justin Dean]

You are absolutely not spot on.
In summary
There were many reasons for Brexit, and most are still there there. For me UK sovereignty was and is one of the main reasons. And the fact that the EU seem to perceive we are still a member and want to punish us for being naughty should come as no surprise, it doesn't to me, I always thought it was going to happen.
The EU core principle may well be a level playing field, but sadly that doesn't work given the diverse political, cultural and economic differences of each of the member states. Plus the major players, France and Germany, seem to wag the dog to their advantage. Strasbourg to satisfy the French anyone?
And we have tried to fit in in the last 20 years and it didn't seem to work. We always seemed to be the odd one out. We tried to negotiate our situation following the Referendum and they basically told us to stuff it.

Many on this forum won't remember the Common Market which was a trade organisation and a predecessor to the EU. De Gaulle kept us out of that, bringing new significance to 'Non!'. So much for European friendliness and cooperation given what had happened a few years earlier. But things changed a generation later and we enthusiastically voted to join the EEC, another trade organisation, and I voted in. But since then the EEC trade organisation has morphed into the United States of Europe with significant and increasing pressure to conform to its rules, laws and regulations, sometimes against the national interest. So I would still vote leave. But if it had still been a trade organisation, we wouldn't be in this situation, but it isn't, so we are.

But at the end of the day, we have left the EU, trade agreement or not, and we are going to find the world is different for other reasons too which have affected the rest of the globe this year, and we will just have to get on with it as we have done before, rather than carping on about the what would have been.

Yes, not a level playing for Greece and Italy for example.

 

[Justin Dean]

On this thread the only justification for Brexit is I’ve seen so far is that the EU has behaved badly in negotiations.

The EU core principle is giving all it’s members a level playing field. The UK is trying to get an advantage over those members by leaving the EU, so of course they’re going to dig their heels in.

The sad thing is that the UK could have used their position in the EU to drive the way things worked and continued to be a global centre of power. Not any more.

Cameron tried to do that with his tour of europe and was told bog off and go and have your referendum.

 

[Shirley Bassett]

Looking at the road freight queue to get into Dover. Is it quicker to fly to Australia, than get a truck on a ferry. Is this the Australian style trade deal?

 

[Appleyard]

Looking at the road freight queue to get into Dover. Is it quicker to fly to Australia, than get a truck on a ferry. Is this the Australian style trade deal?

Just as a matter of interest, when was there a big queue, or is it generally the case?

 

[Justin Dean]

Just as a matter of interest, when was there a big queue, or is it generally the case?

Christmas.

 

[Appleyard]

Christmas.

What, every Christmas?

I thought the comment was about the lengthy queue on the M20 two or three weeks ago. Didn't know it was a regular thing.

 

[Justin Dean]

Happens more and more due to increasing globilisation. China, etc....

 

[marshbrewer]

All the ports around the world are snarled up due to the backlog caused by Covid. To out it in simple terms, you've got several months worth of cargo trying to be imported in a couple of months, along with huge amounts of PPE, etc.

 

[Justin Dean]

Combined with Christmas online shopping. Yes

 

[starseeker]

I voted remain and would vote remain again (or rejoin if we ever get their) without hesitation, I have yet to hear a single genuine tangible benefit of leaving the EU.

How about saving £7000,000000 per year for starters ,thats what £7 billion looks like .

 

[starseeker]

I would vote yes again without having to think about it ,this is about the Eurocrats and not the european people ,did you know that it is only in the last two years that France has been a net contributor to the EU ,before that they were getting hundreds of millions more in subsidies than they paid in ,is it any wonder they loved the club ! The Uk was the second highest contributor behind Germany and they treated us like fools, i am glad we are out ,deal or no deal .

 

[obscure]

How about saving £7000,000000 per year for starters ,thats what £7 billion looks like .

Total Government spending in 2019/20 was roughly 842 billion, the budget for the NHS was 119 billion in 2019, the defence budget 42 billion, welfare spending 191 billion, 7 billion is huge on a personal level, on a government level its immaterial. The EU ensured freedom of movement of people, goods and capital, the reality is that Britain has benefitted immensely from EU membership over the past few decades, truthfully I feel that seven billion a year for what the UK got in exchange was a bargain.

If you are a member of an international organisation you have to pay towards the upkeep of that organisation, the UK seems to want all the benefits of membership without any of the costs or obligation.

 

[An Ankoù]

I would vote yes again without having to think about it ,this is about the Eurocrats and not the european people ,did you know that it is only in the last two years that France has been a net contributor to the EU ,before that they were getting hundreds of millions more in subsidies than they paid in ,is it any wonder they loved the club ! The Uk was the second highest contributor behind Germany and they treated us like fools, i am glad we are out ,deal or no deal .

Well, leave again if you must, but that's no excuse for peddling fake news. Here's details of members' contributions for 2017 (three years ago): EU budget: Who pays most in and who gets most back?
I could go back further, but I'm not your research assistant.

 

[chopps]

Here’s another useful source.
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-one-biggest-contributors-eu-budget/

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Obscure said
I voted remain and would vote remain again (or rejoin if we ever get their) without hesitation, I have yet to hear a single genuine tangible benefit of leaving the EU.

How about saving £7000,000000 per year for starters ,thats what £7 billion looks like .

^ ^
This and we make decisions as to what is best for our country.

 

[terrym]

I actually think asking this question at the present time is a bit pointless. None of the projected benefits or disbenefits of leaving are actually in evidence at present. Its mostly still speculation. And folks can put all the time worn arguments forward one way or another but it makes not a jot of difference to the outcome.
However asking the question in 5 years time when things have settled down and we are dealing with facts is a completely different matter.

 

[Rodcx500z]

I am going to have a beer, it's good you know you should all try it besides i don't care who pays the bus fare i just want a peaceful life

 

[starseeker]

Well, leave again if you must, but that's no excuse for peddling fake news. Here's details of members' contributions for 2017 (three years ago): EU budget: Who pays most in and who gets most back?
I could go back further, but I'm not your research assistant.

My mistake, i know you are not my research assistant so i tried to find out if France was a net contributor before 2017 ,i could not , .

 

[Rodcx500z]

Here we go brewed by Donald Trump told you I didn’t care

 

[An Ankoù]

How about saving £7000,000000 per year for starters ,thats what £7 billion looks like .

It's a very tidy sum, I agree. And it could go a long way to doing a lot of good. Pity it's a drop in the ocean compared with what's been wasted on procurement contracts for mates, dodgy track and trace contracts etc, etc, which have never been put out to tender and invariably haven't come up with the goods. C.O.R.R.U.P.T.I.O.N . That's what corruption looks like.