Wood burners

[Chippy_Tea]

I not against stopping burning coal for health reasons but you watch the price of dry wood increase as people have less options as to what they can burn, smokeless fuel probably burns well in a multi fuel stove as they have control over airflow etc so at least they have another oprions.

 

[Clint]

But like said...people will revert to burning all sorts and little if anything will be done to police it.
I know lots of log burner owners who run theirs for free.

 

[The Baron]

watch out the wet wood burning police are coming Nah Nah Nah Nah!!!!
"You'll not get me coppers"

 

[An Ankoù]

Your comment that it will make little difference to the environment is both right and wrong.
Right = In that stopping the use of coal as a domestic fuel in the UK will probably make little difference to the global environment given the quantities burned in other countries e.g. China, India, USA.
Wrong = Pollution in local urban areas due to domestic coal burning can be high due to SO2 and particulate concentrations, and this, to my understanding, is the main reason domestic coal burning is to be phased out since it is damaging to health, for the same reasons that spawned the Clean Air Act, which should be welcomed.

I think you're right in that this kind of pollution is a local issue inasmuch as those living in the locality suffer disproportionately and it contributes relatively little to climate change and global warming. I'm concerned that by tackling the former we may be duped into believing that we're doing something positive to address the latter at a time when we can no longer afford to turn a blind eye. there is no doubt in my mind that the powers that be, not only here but worldwide, do not want to address climate change through global warming. Why else have climate activists like XR and Greenpeace been, put on the list of "extremists" along with known terrorist groups? I expect to find members of the Green Party joining them very quickly.
I appreciate there's an element of hypocrisy here since I'm perfectly aware of the amount of energy I waste coiling and cooiling a batch of beer. But I'm not an eco-warrior, just a poor brewer trying to scratch a living for tomorrow's crust.

 

[An Ankoù]

I not against stopping burning coal for health reasons but you watch the price of dry wood increase as people have less options as to what they can burn, smokeless fuel probably burns well in a multi fuel stove as they have control over airflow etc so at least they have another oprions.

I don't know if you can get wood pellet burners in the UK, they're popular here, really efficient and cost effective. You can buy sacks of pellets in the supermarket.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I don't know if you can get wood pellet burners in the UK, they're popular here, really efficient and cost effective. You can buy sacks of pellets in the supermarket.

We were thinking of going the multifuel stove route I think we will wait and see how this pans out

 

[The Baron]

You could always burn a few witches I have been told they burn well especially if dry and have not been on the ducking stool first

 

[Clint]

Better get one soon Chippy as I recon they'll ban new buyers in the future...
Get some wood from anywhere and get it burnt!

 

[MmmBeer]

I grew up in a house with open fires, but am now used to the convenience of gas central heating and don't notice any issues, I certainly wouldn't consider going back.

I know a few people with wood burners and have donated a fair amount of logs to them over the years, when I have pruned or cut down trees and these are dried naturally before being burnt. I would have thought that storms Ciara and Dennis would have provided plenty of felled branches and trees for firewood.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

'Echoes of the diesel controversy' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51581817

Today's announcement has echoes of the diesel controversy.

Many drivers bought diesel vehicles because they are less bad for the climate than petrol.

It turned out they created more of the particulate pollution that harms people's lungs, so now diesel car values are sliding.

Likewise, many people shelled out for wood-burning stoves because they don't add to climate change. Now they too are being hit by local pollution rules.

Households in Clean Air zones are banned by law from emitting dense smoke (although, for some reason, bonfires are still permitted).

And elsewhere people will have to burn thoroughly dried wood, which may put up the cost of the fuel.

There are loopholes. It's unlikely that local councils will prioritise inspections of garage forecourts when their ranks are depleted by spending cuts.

What's more, there's nothing to stop you burning tree cuttings from your home without drying them.

And there are no powers to inspect homes, so any rules on the use of wet wood cannot be enforced.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I grew up in a house with open fires, but am now used to the convenience of gas central heating and don't notice any issues, I certainly wouldn't consider going back.

I have both and am not keen on central heating i will be sad to see the open fire go if we decided to go for a multi-fuel stove.

 

[Rodcx500z]

As far as cars go its like vhs and Betamax, the way forward is hydrogen not electric, this is the way forward https://uk.motor1.com/news/378785/hydrogen-taxis-million-miles-london/ but the one with the most profit for share holders will win

 

[Clint]

They'll ban bonfire night next...and arson.

 

[DavieC]

the way forward is hydrogen not electric

Absolutely correct I reckon Rod. A company called 'Intelligent Energy' from Loughborough have been developing hydrogen fuel cell technology for years. Not just for vehicles but for all sorts of applications such as powering phone masts in rural areas.

 

[An Ankoù]

I have both and am not keen on central heating i will be sad to see the open fire go if we decided to go for a multi-fuel stove.

Whatever you go for, the quality of the stove, itself, is important. Check out Jøtul. They're not cheap, but they're amazing. Made in Norway where you can't afford to faff around when the cold sets in.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Whatever you go for, the quality of the stove, itself, is important. Check out Jøtul. They're not cheap, but they're amazing. Made in Norway where you can't afford to faff around when the cold sets in.

Will do.

 

[pms67]

We have a Clearview stove,not cheap but bloody lovely

 

[An Ankoù]

The best way to get heat out of a stove is to have it free standing, not in an enclosed fireplace. All the metal sides radiate heat. The flue pipe radiates a massive amount of heat so don't hide it up a chimney otherwise that's where the lion's share of the heat will go. If it is installed in an old fireplace, at least have some convection ducting to recirculate the warmed air back into the room.

 

[Benfleet Brewery]

People consider electricity to be CLEAN energy, hence the rise in sales of electric cars, but it's only CLEAN if it's generated cleanly eg, through wind or tidal turbines of hydro. Electricity from fossil fuel or nuclear power stations can hardly be considered CLEAN energy. So all those thinking of getting an electric car, consider where the electricity and the batteries are coming from.

Plus, electric cars are a lot cheaper to run because the vat and duty on petrol and diesel make those vehicles so expensive to run. With no taxes, a litre of petrol in the UK would cost about 35p. So, what happens when lots of people have electric cars and the reduction of other vehicles mean the government isn’t getting all that fuel duty anymore? Yes, they will put that duty on electricity and we will all be back to square one again

 

[pms67]

The best way to get heat out of a stove is to have it free standing, not in an enclosed fireplace. All the metal sides radiate heat. The flue pipe radiates a massive amount of heat so don't hide it up a chimney otherwise that's where the lion's share of the heat will go. If it is installed in an old fireplace, at least have some convection ducting to recirculate the warmed air back into the room.

I’ve thought about purchasing a stove fan to recirculate the heat but I’m too tight.
One thing though, I ONLY buy kiln dried wood, anything else is false economy.