Voss

[fury_tea]

I know exactly which flavour you mean @fury_tea

I still finished it all (not one for wasting beer, no matter how horrible lol) but it very nearly was the first and last time I used Voss.

Happy I tried again though because it's made some of my favourite beers. What temp are you fermenting it at?

 

[Tess Tickle's Brewery]

It started at 30c but went down to 28c as it was finishing up. I'm glad you mentioned old books because that's exactly what it smells like. The strawberry is overpowering any nasty smells / tastes though.

We also don't waste anything. My husband would divorce me

 

[The Baron]

They are handy to have if ever you get to a point in life were climbing the stairs is a no no

and how many pints is that? Rod where you are unable to get upstairs

 

[fury_tea]

It started at 30c but went down to 28c as it was finishing up. I'm glad you mentioned old books because that's exactly what it smells like. The strawberry is overpowering any nasty smells / tastes though.

We also don't waste anything. My husband would divorce me

It really reminded me of walking into an old book shop.

I thought it would be a good flavour in a lightly smoked porter (after a month or so of mellowing) or something like that but I don't know how to get that flavour as I have never done anything different.

There's a minor trend for "mushroom ales" which that would work with too, I think. It's interesting but just not something I'd want 19L of, I don't think...

 

[Tess Tickle's Brewery]

It really reminded me of walking into an old book shop.

I thought it would be a good flavour in a lightly smoked porter (after a month or so of mellowing) or something like that but I don't know how to get that flavour as I have never done anything different.

There's a minor trend for "mushroom ales" which that would work with too, I think. It's interesting but just not something I'd want 19L of, I don't think...

Gip, lol

 

[Tess Tickle's Brewery]

Here is my brew sheet. In hindsight I wish I'd skipped the boil addition and done a hotter whirlpool instead. Perhaps it would've been less bitter then.

 

[fury_tea]

Here is my brew sheet. In hindsight I wish I'd skipped the boil addition and done a hotter whirlpool instead.

I never do a boil addition for NEIPA these days. I think my last on just put everything into 2 additions 250g at 80c and 250g dry hop. Lining another one up for the next few weeks and all this talk of Voss is making me want to get some...

 

[Tess Tickle's Brewery]

I will give it one more go I think.

What IBU did yours end up at? Mine was supposed to be 23 but tastes more like 40. Spoiled it a bit.

I want to try co-fermenting with it but then you're restricted to the other yeast's top temperature.

 

[fury_tea]

I will give it one more go I think.

What IBU did yours end up at? Mine was supposed to be 23 but tastes more like 40. Spoiled it a bit.

I want to try co-fermenting with it but then you're restricted to the other yeast's top temperature.

I can't think off the top of my head but they usually fall around 30. It's not an exact art for me because I no chill which can bump the ibus a bit as well, I believe. Never had anything overly bitter though as far as I can remember.

 

[The Baron]

The only thing I can advise you Lisa is when doing whirlpooling is to use the same ibu calculator(they all vary) for whirlpooling and stick with it so that you get to know how to adjust it for yourself or you can drop the whirlpool down from the temp as per your calculator to give you a bit of a safety net- if you have worked it out at 95c do it at 90/85.
You are like me I do not like over bittered drinks and that is why I virtually whirlpool and do not do any bittering additions except very rarely

 

[Tess Tickle's Brewery]

Yes I agree - I think if they are more balanced they are much more enjoyable.

I use Brewfather normally for the calculations as it's really easy to use. This is the only thing I've made so far that's way different to what I was expecting. Wonder what I did lol

 

[The Baron]

I don't think you have but the IBU's on the recipe sheet says minimal IBU's at 75c now My calculator would show as zero at 75c as it drops off the scale at that temp but this is not true IMO I have seen yours adds about 4 IBU's between them at 75c. I have found this to be a low guestimate so I adjust my other hops to reduce the IBU's so that it will allow for a low estimate at 75c. I usually would have dropped my estimated IBU's to below 20 to compensate for the low 75c guesstimate.
Ps this is only my view on this but it does obviously help to drop the IBU's

 

[Tess Tickle's Brewery]

ok, worth a go.

I had put it down to just dropping the dry hops in straight instead of adding them to a bag. Because some people say that they do add a little extra bitterness - not much, but some.

I think next time I will add them to a bag because as I thought, I have a big beer loss. Should have gone with my instincts lol

 

[The Baron]

If you put them in a bag or a hop spider and you have a all in one put the pump on so that it hits the bag or spider and it will help to agitate the hops and get more flavour

 

[Tess Tickle's Brewery]

I meant threw them in the fermenter straight. Sorry if I'm confusing you.

 

[The Baron]

Was that for the dry hop Lisa as I always bag mine with some large SS spoons to weigh it down and fishing line to retrieve it.
I have also found that they used to say that you did not get any significant IBU's from dry hopping but I think that is not true and maybe thats where the extra bitterness is coming from also temperature plays a part in dry hopping and IBU's.
Ps there are more scientific boffins on here who may add to this

 

[Tess Tickle's Brewery]

Will have a re-think about what to do about this. Yes, from the dry hop.

 

[The Baron]

Hi Lisa I knew I had read something about dry hopping this is a lift from the web

Beers with IBUs under 20 can become more bitter by dry hopping. Beers with IBUs above 30 can become less bitter by dry hopping. Dry hopping will increase the pH of beer, which also increases the bitterness perception of beer.
Now I do not know if this is true but it could be worth looking at

 

[Tess Tickle's Brewery]

Very interesting indeed!

Edit - looking at this now and it seems to relate to leaf hops. Will keep looking though!

 

[The Baron]

If I remember right it is worse with pellet hops as they have been crushed and the vegetative matter is chopped up so releases AA's more easily etc but carry on reading and let us all know what you find come to think of it I have reduced my dry hopping rate and stick more in the whirlpool because I had read something but it gets too scientific for me at times