VE Day: Sir Winston Churchill announces the end of WW2 in Europe
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MyQul
Chairman of the Bored
I was wondering if we were going to get a VE day thread.
I find it very weird. Why dont we celebrate the Nepoleonic wars for example?. A European coalition fought against an expansionist tyrant similar to WWII and we won that one too. But we dont have bunting and street parties
I find it very weird. Why dont we celebrate the Nepoleonic wars for example?. A European coalition fought against an expansionist tyrant similar to WWII and we won that one too. But we dont have bunting and street parties
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I guess its because its highly unlikely any of those boys will still be around to join in the celebrations.
The Napoleonic Wars are usually considered to have started on 18 May 1803.
MyQul
Chairman of the Bored
I guess its because its highly unlikely any of those boys will still be around
The Napoleonic Wars are usually considered to have started on 18 May 1803.
There's not many WW11 soldiers around either seeing as it was 75 years ago
We've been in several wars since WWII (that we've won or been in winning coalitions) but we dont celebrate those either (e.g. Falklands war, Iraq war)
I guess its because it was a world war but it does seem a little unfair that soldiers who died in other conflicts are rarely mentioned.
MyQul
Chairman of the Bored
I Just find it weird we choose some wars to venerate and not others. Britain's been in stacks of wars over the years. Most of which most people have never even heard of
"Sir" Winston Churchill didn't make a VE Day speech. He wasn't knighted until 1953
It says "Sir Winston Churchill's VE Day speech", but it wasn't "Sir Winston Churchill's" speech. It was plain "Winston's Churchill's" speech.
VW911
Landlord.
I went to Portsmouth to celebrate the 200th anniversary of Trafalgar. (It wasn't just me there)...
The video title is -
Winston Churchill announces Germany’s ’unconditional surrender’ | VE Day speech, 8th May 1945 | LBC
It doesn't say he was a Sir when he gave the speech.
A bit like posting video of goodbye yellow brick road and saying Sir Elton John sang it in 1973 Sir Elton did sing it but he wasn't a sir when he sang it.
Well thats my take on it.
MyQul
Chairman of the Bored
Bet that was good. I like 19th centurty ships. I 've been on the cutty sark a few times seeing as it's only a couple of miles away.
Some wars we celebrate more than others though . e.g the end of the first world war every year. There's barely anyone alive now that was alive then and certainly no one who fought in it
It reminds me of something the Greek philosopher, Heraclitus, said, "No man ever steps in the same river twice". Meaning that when you go back to a river it's not the same as last time you were there. In the same way I could argue that Sir Winston or Sir Elton, is not the same as Winston or Elton.
VW911
Landlord.
I was ship's cook on Maria Assumpta, built in 1858 (well before Cutty Sark). At the time, she was the oldest sailing ship, still sailing. She was sadly lost off the coast of North Cornwall, nearly 25 years ago.
I lost 3 good friends, and just hope that I can go to her resting place at the end of the month, and pay my respects...
MyQul
Chairman of the Bored
That must have been a great job. Sad to hear you lost your mates though
VW911
Landlord.
It was an experience, for sure. No pay, as such, but memories that will stay with me forever.
Just hope that we are able to go down there at the end of the month and pay my respects...
Just hope that we are able to go down there at the end of the month and pay my respects...
I've just been reading about it on wikipedia Maria Asumpta - Wikipedia It must have been an awful experience for you. How long had you been serving before she was lost?
VW911
Landlord.
I was only on there for about a year - I was alternating cooking duties with Anne, who was sadly lost.
Fortunately for me, I wasn't on board at the time, or it could well have been me. (She was below deck, preparing a meal, as I would have been, had I been there)...
Fortunately for me, I wasn't on board at the time, or it could well have been me. (She was below deck, preparing a meal, as I would have been, had I been there)...
An Ankoù
Landlord.
I find this obsession with "the War" quite vomit inducing. Looking at the front pages this morning did nothing for my stomach and the whole nation joining in a rousing chorus of the Vera Lynns sent me rushing to the bogs. Let's put this mawkish sentimentality aside and tackle the real issues instead of dwelling in the past while the country falls in ruins around our ears. (It's still my country even while I'm not living there).
I think those that are too young to remember the horrors of WW2 should have an annual reminder it may just stop WW3.
An Ankoù
Landlord.
Agreed. But isn't that what Remembrance Sunday's about. I don't know what our kids get from Victory in Europe Day, probably that the English (not the British and certainly not the Allies) beat the Germans (not the Nazis) in the "War" through sheer indomitability of spirit, great, fish and chips and cups of tea. I don't know about all of Europe, but here we have a bank holiday to celebrate the "armistice" and Peace in Europe. Seems a but healthier to me.
Come to think of it, reading the papers and looking at some of the comments, a fair bit of our adult population buy into that myth, too.
Come to think of it, reading the papers and looking at some of the comments, a fair bit of our adult population buy into that myth, too.
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