Vaping on buses and trains.

[Chippy_Tea]

I gave up smoking 20 years ago and have said here i wish vaping was around when i was trying to give up as i think it would have helped having said that i do not think people should be allowed to use them on on public transport as some Vapers (is that a word) seem to think its a challenge to see how big a cloud they can make when the exhale, i do not want to sit in this cloud breathing their bodily fluids as they would not want to sit next to me if i farted every 15 seconds, joking aside no one AFAIK has said they are 100% safe so why allow it.

Rules around e-cigarettes should be relaxed so they can be more widely used and accepted in society, says a report by MPs.

Vaping is much less harmful than normal cigarettes and e-cigarettes should be made available on prescription to help more people quit smoking, it said.

The report also asks the government to consider their use on buses and trains.

Read full article - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45212444

 

[Leon103]

Ban them. Horrible things. People are just as addicted to them as they are cigs. Walking around towns gripping them for dear life whilst inhaling every 20 seconds like it's an oxygen machine.

 

[Dutto]

I hate the way they are selling Vaping as "Less harmful." when comparing it to something that is an absolute killer!

This is like saying that a Black Mamba is "less harmful" than a Cobra because it kills less people.

If you keep an eye on the people in the street (where they are allowed to smoke) you will find that those who "vape" are so ashamed that they try and hide their habit! Almost all of them walk around with the utensil tucked up into a clawed hand to make it as inconspicuous as possible.

From this I deduct that they KNOW that they are addicted to nicotine, they KNOW that they are doing nothing for their own health or bank balance and they KNOW that they look like idiots when they produce a huge cloud of steam!

Let them loose in restaurants and bars? Absolutely NO THANK YOU!

BTW, I smoked from age three (I used to keep my Dad's home rolled **** going as he was cobbling and when he realised I was smoking more than he was I was put on "One cigarette for each year of my age as a present at Christmas!).

As an adult, I smoked:

• Up to 60 Marlborough **** a day when I could get hold of them.
• Old Holborn home rolled **** when I couldn't.
• A pipe and cigars (usually when I was trying to give up by changing tobacco).
• In India I tried their Beedy cigarettes and in Indonesia I smoked their clove enriched ****.
• When they banned smoking on aeroplanes I took a tin of McChrystals Snuff awith me.
• Offshore and on Tankers I chewed tobacco.

Briefly, I was a total nicotine addict!

I tried nicotine chewing gum (the easiest thing EVER to give up), nicotine patches and even a recommended drug that I bought off the Internet.

However, the reason I finally gave up was when two non-smoking friends invited SWMBO and I to spend a fortnight with them touring France in their new caravan. I knew that it would rain sometime during the fortnight, I knew that they would insist that I smoke in their caravan rather than go outside and I knew that the caravan would stink of tobacco for many months!

So, a month before the holiday and at the age of 63 years I gave up smoking and went "cold turkey". :thumb:

The really scary thing about giving up smoking was that AFTER THREE DAYS it was easy!

 

[MyQul]

AFAIK there's no long term studies on vaping so how do MP's know how "much less harmful" they are.

I'm pretty suspicious of this. I bet there's been some pretty heavy lobbying by the vaping industry. I wonder how many of these MPs who are championing this, we will see as non executive directors of vaping companies collecting a fat salary for doing an hours work a month, in a few years time (not that I'm cycnical or anything)

 

[hesstondriver]

my two observations are, (and I try to remain impartial on the whole subject )

1) when you spark a *** up , it take say 10 minuets from start to finish, - done for the hour or so until next *** break. a vape is never ending , one puff every 5 mins throughout the day !
2) you can smoke a *** and work with both hands at the same time , some vapes are the sizr of a house brick and become an impediment to ones work !

 

[Chippy_Tea]

when you spark a *** up , it take say 10 minuets from start to finish, - done for the hour or so until next *** break. a vape is never ending , one puff every 5 mins throughout the day !

This is a very good point and something i noticed when vaping first became popular most smokers (as i said earlier i used to be one) as you say take a drag then its a few seconds until the next until the cig is finished whereas people who vape keep inhaling every few second indefinitely so the amount of nicotine they are taking in has got to be much higher than if you smoke, i know cigs have a lot of nasty chemicals in them so vaping has to be safer but my worry is our lungs were not designed to breath in moisture so vaping has got to cause long term lung damage.

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[Chippy_Tea]

so vaping has got to cause long term lung damage

I should have searched before posting - https://vapingdaily.com/what-is-vaping/popcorn-lung/

 

[Leon103]

Plus the need electricity to charge so bad for environment

 

[Gunge]

Ban them. Horrible things. People are just as addicted to them as they are cigs. Walking around towns gripping them for dear life whilst inhaling every 20 seconds like it's an oxygen machine.

Vapers need real cigs to break the nicotine addiction, cos they just don't know when to stop. Unlike a cig - light it, smoke it, put it out. Anyway as a committed tobacco-lover, smoking on buses and all other public places should be reintroduced with immediate effect. I look back on the 70s with much dewy-eyed affection, a time long before all this 'healthy' cobblers started to get a foothold in every aspect of life.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I remember when you could smoke in cinemas and the ash trays were in the backrest of the seat in front inches from the head/hair of the person in front. (i bet the younger generation would think i was making it up if i had not added the picture)

I am glad they brought the smoking ban in and i only wish they had brought it in when i was a smoker trying to give up (cold turkey) as i am sure it would have helped, I also think banning smoking in pubs was the way forward but as i have said in the discussion here in the past i think they were too heavy handed and if pubs with a room separate from the main bar/eating area wanted to allow smoking and the bar staff were smokers they should have been allowed to.

 

[Gunge]

I was already losing interest in 'going out' at the time, but the smoking ban was the final straw. And the boss at work thought it was great, until everyone started going out for a bacca every half hour. Meanwhile I've just opened a pack of GV and I can tell you right now, the smell is out of this world!

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Meanwhile I've just opened a pack of GV and I can tell you right now, the smell is out of this world!

I loved smoking and when trying to give up failed several times as my heart just wasn't in it but the last straw for me was when a work mate in his late sixties complained he had a sore throat and could not shake it he went to the doctor and that was the last time i saw him he had throat cancer and died a few weeks later, i stopped smoking soon after.

I know people will say you could have a car crash tomorrow or you could be hit by a bus but these are accidents when you smoke you know the damage you are doing to yourself and unlike drinking (which is another pleasure we are told we shouldn't overdo) you can do it anywhere anytime and when you cannot afford to smoke filtered **** because they are ridiculously expensive you smoke rollies (i have been there done that) that are even worse for you it really is a downward spiral and i am glad i managed to kick the habit and i hope one day you will to Gunge for your wife and kids sake.

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[Jakeyboi]

I cant stand the sweet sickly aroma they give off, you can smell them a mile off. As an ex smoker I much prefer to be in a room with someone smoking a cig than a vape. Also I have a couple of young lads 17-20 who work for us who are hooked on vapes but never touched a real cig before! Seems so dumb, but then I guess smoking real cigarettes is just as dumb.

 

[Martybhoy]

I haven't smoked for 13yrs, but when I catch a whiff of smoke in the street from a real cig, oh man it smells great.

As for vaping, I don't think the body is designed to intake so much alien substances without ill effect.

As Begbie in Trainspotting says (albeit of heroin) :

No way would I poison my body wi that $hite. Aw they fucken chemicals? No fucken way.

 

[Mavroz]

I've been stopped smoking 15 yrs or so now. If people want to vape then let them and good luck to them as long as it isn't in an indoor public place.
I don't want to sit and drink my pint, use public transport, eat my lunch in the works canteen in a haze of vapour whether they say it isn't detrimental to health or not.
I don't want it so why should I have to have the sweet sickly smell filling the rooms?
I can see something being passed for using them in open spaces such as parks etc but i would be very surprised if anything was brought in for indoor spaces.
We will see, we live in crazy times and God only knows what governments think these days.

 

[Mavroz]

Ps if the government pass a bill to encourage vaping I reckon the prices will soon rocket, as I am sure the govt will be keen on vape tax to offset the loss of revenue it has suffered on tobacco.

 

[Bevvied]

I gave up **** using a vape.
Took me about nine months doing it slowly, decreasing the nicotine strength of the liquids as I went until finally went a month using nicotine free liquids, then just stopped.
It served me well, but from what I see, people are mostly as addicted to vaping as they used to be to ****.

I agree with Mavroz, something is amiss here.

 

[BeerCat]

I reckon you could save money by making your own juice from *** ends picked up in the street.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Took me about nine months doing it slowly, decreasing the nicotine strength of the liquids as I went until finally went a month using nicotine free liquids, then just stopped.

That's the plan i would have used if they had been around when i was trying to quit.

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[Gunge]

In my experience, breaking the nicotine addiction is easy; breaking the smoking habit is very, very difficult. Eventually after trying every single 'alternative' and failing, I gave in to the fact that there is no hope for me and embraced the habit with gusto instead of spending my days with this giant monkey on my back.