UKIP has a new leader

[Ken L]

Gerard Batten who briefly led the party in an interim capacity has been confirmed as the new leader.

I don't agree with him on everything but I did like his speech in Hull recently.

 

[stevic]

...and in other news Blue Peter has announced a new presenter. It has the same political impact.

 

[Ken L]

...and in other news Blue Peter has announced a new presenter. It has the same political impact.

And yet 44 of the UK's 73 seats in the European Parliament are held by UKIP MEPs.

 

[Thumper]

44 people who don't turn up to meetings at an organisation we're leaving.

 

[ElvisIsBeer]

UKIP are a perversion, less a political party than an ulcer, gnawing at our our basest fears and instincts, and offering nothing in terms of coherent policy. No depth, and no breadth.

They're a tin monkey banging on a broken drum in the dankest corner of a derelict outhouse, distant from reality, relevance and utility.

They're hateful, petty, vindictive feud is over. They won. They need to stop.

If we are to make the best of the arch-stupidity that is Brexit, then we need to divine a sense of common good; identifying and locating what themes and characteristics we think should define Britain from this point forwards. UKIP have no part to play in that. Their DNA precludes it.

 

[Saisonator]

If people want to follow a populist party, they now have Corbyn’s Labour.

 

[Ken L]

Lovin' the hate.
Like it or not, UKIP are the most effective political movement in British history, coming from nothing to effecting the biggest constitutional change that this country has seen since we joined the EU on the basis of lie after lie.

They may have a poor attendance record in Brussels but would you really expect pigs to attend all the meetings about the most efficient way to structure the operation of their abattoir?

As for a "populist party"....
We don't have one do we?
We have Corbyn's socialist party who are unelectable nutters once you scratch the surface glamour of their false promises, we have the Tories who predominantly exist to serve business interests and we have a vacuum that is waiting to be filled.

 

[BeerCat]

Thank god Henry Bolton is gone Ken.

 

[Ken L]

Thank god Henry Bolton is gone Ken.

Yes.
As Betten's speech demonstrates, Bolton was clearly incompetent from an administrative perspective in addition to being invisible as leader and a Sandhurst trained officer was never going to connect with ordinary working people in a month of Sundays.
He handled is girlfriend's faux pas very badly too. All he had to do was say that neither he nor UKIP had any responsibility for what she has tweeted and it would have been done.

My only frustration is that Batten has gone back to the old logo and rejected re-branding when it is very obvious that a re-branding, a name change for the party and a wide ranging populist agenda are desperately needed.

 

[ElvisIsBeer]

Lovin' the hate.
Like it or not, UKIP are the most effective political movement in British history, coming from nothing to effecting the biggest constitutional change that this country has seen since we joined the EU on the basis of lie after lie.

They may have a poor attendance record in Brussels but would you really expect pigs to attend all the meetings about the most efficient way to structure the operation of their abattoir?

As for a "populist party"....
We don't have one do we?
We have Corbyn's socialist party who are unelectable nutters once you scratch the surface glamour of their false promises, we have the Tories who predominantly exist to serve business interests and we have a vacuum that is waiting to be filled.

What have they achieved?

What have they done for working people?

 

[Saisonator]

Lovin' the hate.
Like it or not, UKIP are the most effective political movement in British history, coming from nothing to effecting the biggest constitutional change that this country has seen since we joined the EU on the basis of lie after lie.

They may have a poor attendance record in Brussels but would you really expect pigs to attend all the meetings about the most efficient way to structure the operation of their abattoir?

As for a "populist party"....
We don't have one do we?
We have Corbyn's socialist party who are unelectable nutters once you scratch the surface glamour of their false promises, we have the Tories who predominantly exist to serve business interests and we have a vacuum that is waiting to be filled.

A party can be left wing and populist, Corbyn’s Labour fit a lot of the definitions.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism

 

[Ken L]

What have they achieved?

What have they done for working people?

The clue's in the name.

A party can be left wing and populist, Corbyn’s Labour fit a lot of the definitions.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism

Yes, by lying about policing, by lying about their real political agenda, by lying about university debt. And as each lie gets exposed, there's another lie to con the witless. The current one is for bus passes for the under 25's - Labour's key demographic because they are young enough to be idealistic and broke and naïve enough to think that Corbyn will actually deliver.

 

[Gunge]

UKIP gets my vote!

 

[ElvisIsBeer]

The clue's in the name.
.

Sharp. Everyone's laughing.

Are you seriously touting UKIP as the most effective political movement by reducing the virtue or evidence of their impact to......a vote for 'out'.

Compared to everything that the Labour and trade union movement delivered over a hundred years? Seriously?

 

[Ken L]

Sharp. Everyone's laughing.

Are you seriously touting UKIP as the most effective political movement by reducing the virtue or evidence of their impact to......a vote for 'out'.

Compared to everything that the Labour and trade union movement delivered over a hundred years? Seriously?

What have Labour and the trades union movement delivered in the last 25 years that could possibly compare with taking the UK out of the EU without ever having achieved a term of office and with only having had two elected MPs in the house of commons

 

[MarkBowie]

Should just let UKIP take the credit for the leave vote, let them take credit for whatever they want. Then when it actually all happens and they no longer have seats in the EU and no seats here then they can drift off in to nothingness.

 

[Thumper]

They may have a poor attendance record in Brussels but would you really expect pigs to attend all the meetings about the most efficient way to structure the operation of their abattoir?

If you're being paid by the public to do a job, I damn well expect you to do it. They allowed the public to pay them a wage and a pension and expenses, and didn't do the job they were paid to do. They're a bunch of thieves, as far as I'm concerned.

It's like a vegetarian taking a job in an abbatoir, and then not turning and expecting to be paid anyway. If you have philosophical objections to a job, don't take the job.

 

[Ken L]

The "job" that the British public elected them for was to take Britain out of the EU.
We as a nation said "We don't want MEPs in Brussels and we don't want them voting".
UKIP MPs delivered.
UKIP winning the EU vote was however a necessary precursor to pressuring Cameron into offering a referendum.

 

[ElvisIsBeer]

What have Labour and the trades union movement delivered in the last 25 years that could possibly compare with taking the UK out of the EU without ever having achieved a term of office and with only having had two elected MPs in the house of commons

I think you should judge their effectiveness by the impact of their one and only policy, when we start to feel it fully. When the economy tanks. When tax revenue falls. When the public sector is hawked off or deleted in swathes. When the NHS collapses. Then, and only then, can the wastrels and opportunist scoundrels who pitch themselves as UKIP (and we all know it is a one man band missing it's drummer) claim their legacy.

 

[Ken L]

I think you should judge their effectiveness by the impact of their one and only policy, when we start to feel it fully. When the economy tanks. When tax revenue falls. When the public sector is hawked off or deleted in swathes. When the NHS collapses. Then, and only then, can the wastrels and opportunist scoundrels who pitch themselves as UKIP (and we all know it is a one man band missing it's drummer) claim their legacy.

I thought al that was supposed to happen immediately ater we voted to leave.
Either way, all we ever hear from the remoaners who losft the ballot despite allowing foreigners who happen to live here to vote, allowing Brits who no longer live in Britain to vote, allowing Gibraltar to vote despite it not being part of the UK and conducting an entirely one sided campaign using public money is how terribly unfair it all was immediately followd by a predictable message: