An Ankoù
Landlord.
If you can't get those remaining steps in between the fridge and the sofa, you haven't yet beaten anorexia.
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An Ankoù
Landlord.
Took mine to the post office about three weeks ago. It was a lovely sunny morning.
I see it didn't make much difference to what the old country has now become. No excuses now, England's shown it's true colours and I fear for the young and the climate. Time for decent folk to leave, I think. It's nice over here, and Scotland's a lovely place, too. Glad the £'s gone up. We'll make the most of that. I'd be surprised if it stayed there very long.
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In short unionists want to stay part of the UK. Politics here have ended up orange and green. It doesn't make for easy living as they can't agree on anything
We had a bit of a discussion in the Brew room this morning and a few Labour voters openly said they voted tory because they were sick of brexit I hope they don't regret that decision once brexit is done,
the_quick
Landlord.
For me it is surprising that Brexit has blinded everything. Even the worst effect of Tories policies.
I mean huge amount of food banks and huge amount people living below poverty line. Unless votes do believe poor are poor because it is their own fault.
I just hope that Conservative will not give way to EGR running it.
I mean huge amount of food banks and huge amount people living below poverty line. Unless votes do believe poor are poor because it is their own fault.
I just hope that Conservative will not give way to EGR running it.
Euro-sceptics have for years tried to hammer home the idea that the deprivation in the old industrial heartlands, and the worsening of public services is down to our EU membership, as opposed to decades of an imbalanced economy and poor UK governance. It seems that message has hit home.
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An Ankoù
Landlord.
The truth's going to come out now, and then what? If it were here, chaps would be taking up their pitchforks and to the streets, but I fear it's the remaining immigrants who are going to bear the brunt because if there's one thing I do know about the cretinous classes it's this: no matter how wrong they are, they're never wrong.
Cheshire Cat
Landlord.
Abe was wrong you can fool all of the people all of the time. Grim times lay ahead for the UK. Scotland will get independence, the rich will get richer and the rest will go back to living in the 1930's. Thank goodness one of my children and grandchild live in Scotland.
I'm not so sure Scotland will get Indyref2 or if they do, vote for independence, but we shall see. Over half of my family are Scots and outside of the central belt, I don't feel this massive yearning for it to be honest ~ yes the SNP have won by a landslide under fptp but they got 45% of the votes, not sufficient to win a plebiscite it would seem, but I'm not a Scot and frankly, it's none of my business.
MyQul
Chairman of the Bored
Dont get sick. Bye Bye NHS
Do you really believe that, @MyQul ? That there will no longer be a free at the point of delivery national health service? I would be willing to bet you a fiver that at the end of the new governments term, it will still be there.
An Ankoù
Landlord.
It's there, now, Jish, but not in the form it used to be. Before we left for Brittany, there was a long waiting list to see your GP- my wife was given an appointment in a month. Prescription charges are much dearer than they need be because of buying drugs from pharmaceutical companies instead of making generic versions in-house. Kids lie on hospital floors, elderly wait for days on trolleys, A&E is a nightmare for all concerned? Is this a war zone? A massive amount of the budget goes to private companies and staff procurement agencies instead of being used to treat patients. Why do you think that's going to improve under a Conservative government?
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Now, now, don't misquote me, that's naughty. Nobody said it would 'improve' ~ these things are subjective and hard to measure. I was simply asking if MqQul genuinely thought it would cease to exist under the new government.
But to address some of your points;
- "Before we left for Nrittany, there was a long waiting list to see your GP" ~ General Practices aren't part of the NHS and have been mostly private companies since its inception.
- "Prescription charges are much dearer than they need be because of buying drugs from pharmaceutical companies instead of making genereic veresions in-house" - The NHS uses generics whenever a drug is out of patent. Indeed one of the arguments against a trade deal with the US is that they allow patents to run longer (by the amount of time it takes their federal system to approve a drug, which could take years) than we do, and some argued that we would be forced to do this under a trade deal. This might or might not be the case, and is a discussion for a different day, but it shows that currently, the NHS uses generics whenever possible otherwise this argument couldn't have been made. I also dispute your ascertain that the NHS could somehow hake generics more cheaply than firms that are set up to make generics, if you see what I mean, any moer that it could grow its own food for its hospitals more cheaply than farmers.
- "Kids lie on hospital floors, elderly wait for days on trollies" - my experience (of Leeds) where our eldest had open heart surgery this year doesn't at all tally with the pictures doing the rounds. At all. Not even slightly. Of course, during a GE campaign some poeple tried to make out that was the norm. Of course, there are busy times where things fall down, but my personal, lived experience suggests this isn't the case.
I'm no Tory (why do I feel the need to constantly say that? lol) but this whole 'Boris will sell off the NHS and free healthcare will be gone' is dishonest garbage peddled by Momentum / Labour.
It was my half night shift and it was on the telly at work, so I could have stayed in work and bank 1/2 a shifts leave or go home and watch it with a hb or 4.
I voted for HB
so I self righteously proclaim myself the winner 
I voted for HB
so I self righteously proclaim myself the winner
An Ankoù
Landlord.
I wouldn't dream of offending a fellow forumite with such a claim. Not even in my most drunken ramblings. But if you're telling me the NHS hasn't gone head-over-heels downhill over that last, say, five years then I have to ask you to look again. And we haven't been in an election campaign for 5 years! I will grant you that dealing with emergencies is still a strength of the service and I have a friend who had a similar experience of world-class open heart surgery further down south. But the day to day care of non-emergencies, sniffles and belly aches is not what it was. GPs are independent contractors to the NHS and not NHS employees. They're being squeezed and dictated to and threatened with sanctions if they don't toe the line, nevertheless.
My point is that the service has undeniably deteriorated. It's not going to improve until people start recognising this fact. Too many are like Monty Python's black knight when it comes to this cherished service.
MyQul
Chairman of the Bored
I dont think we're suddenly going to get an American style insurance based health service, if that's what you're asking. When people think of a 'privatised NHS' I think thats what most people think of. But I think that wont happen as it would be political suicide. I'm sure your aware that many parts of the NHS are already privatised and have been for quite while. I just think more of it will be privatised. It'll be a case of a slowly boiled frog as more and more parts are nibbled away. I was reading the other day how the national blood bank has been privatised as well as patient records data being flogged to a US comp.
I think the nhs will always be 'free at the point of entry' but things like the post code lottery for certain drugs, real difficuties getting GP appointment, trouble recruiting nurses etc will increase
Given the propensity for the conservatives to privatise national assets (utilites, royal mail, etc) I just dont trust them with the NHS
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Wot I said about the NHS on this forum in Aug 2017, and apparently had said earlier.
"First I occasionally visit NHS places. I see lots of hard working and dedicated staff, state of the art equipment in many places, but I also see people in non jobs, and inefficiencies, which needs addressing. I have in the past used private medical facilities and I see they can do the same job with less staff, that's a fact as far as I am concerned, so why can't the NHS be the same?
The fundamental problem is that it is so big (£115bn p.a, significantly more than a million staff) that an overhaul is daunting. So the easy solution is to leave it alone, or just tickle the edges, and just chuck more money at it. The real solution should be to get in and sort it out.
And the other problem is that it is a sacred cow. Anyone who is perceived as anti-NHS is vilified. So politicians pander to the popular conception that all you have to do to make it better is increase the budget, or put forward populist ideas like making car parking free which does little to address the core problems."
And following what I said in 2017 above, I had the misfortune to have to spend four days as an inpatient in 2018, and that further re-inforced my views.
So nothing's changed as far as I can see, except the budget has got even larger.
"First I occasionally visit NHS places. I see lots of hard working and dedicated staff, state of the art equipment in many places, but I also see people in non jobs, and inefficiencies, which needs addressing. I have in the past used private medical facilities and I see they can do the same job with less staff, that's a fact as far as I am concerned, so why can't the NHS be the same?
The fundamental problem is that it is so big (£115bn p.a, significantly more than a million staff) that an overhaul is daunting. So the easy solution is to leave it alone, or just tickle the edges, and just chuck more money at it. The real solution should be to get in and sort it out.
And the other problem is that it is a sacred cow. Anyone who is perceived as anti-NHS is vilified. So politicians pander to the popular conception that all you have to do to make it better is increase the budget, or put forward populist ideas like making car parking free which does little to address the core problems."
And following what I said in 2017 above, I had the misfortune to have to spend four days as an inpatient in 2018, and that further re-inforced my views.
So nothing's changed as far as I can see, except the budget has got even larger.
I am glad we are about to see the back of this woman she really didn't get how unpopular her "Cancel Brexit" policy was and she has now fallen on her sword.
Jo Swinson has said she is "proud" to have been the first woman to lead the Liberal Democrats as she prepares to step down as party leader.
Ms Swinson, who lost her seat to the SNP's Amy Callaghan, said she was "devastated" by the election result.
Addressing supporters in London, she warned of a growing tide of populism and urged her party to "regroup".
The Lib Dems dropped to 11 seats - Sir Ed Davey and Baroness Sal Brinton will take over as acting co-leaders.
"I'm proud to have been the first woman to have led the Liberal Democrats. I'm even more proud that I will not be the last.
"One of the realities of smashing glass ceilings is that a lot of broken glass comes down on your head", she added.
She spoke of the experience of current Lib Dem spokeswomen Layla Moran, Christine Jardine, Wera Hobhouse and Sarah Olney, as well as welcoming the party's newly-elected female MPs.
Turning to the two main political parties, Ms Swinson criticised the leaders of both Labour and the Conservatives, saying voters were forced to choose the "least worst option".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50781017
Jo Swinson has said she is "proud" to have been the first woman to lead the Liberal Democrats as she prepares to step down as party leader.
Ms Swinson, who lost her seat to the SNP's Amy Callaghan, said she was "devastated" by the election result.
Addressing supporters in London, she warned of a growing tide of populism and urged her party to "regroup".
The Lib Dems dropped to 11 seats - Sir Ed Davey and Baroness Sal Brinton will take over as acting co-leaders.
"I'm proud to have been the first woman to have led the Liberal Democrats. I'm even more proud that I will not be the last.
"One of the realities of smashing glass ceilings is that a lot of broken glass comes down on your head", she added.
She spoke of the experience of current Lib Dem spokeswomen Layla Moran, Christine Jardine, Wera Hobhouse and Sarah Olney, as well as welcoming the party's newly-elected female MPs.
Turning to the two main political parties, Ms Swinson criticised the leaders of both Labour and the Conservatives, saying voters were forced to choose the "least worst option".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50781017
DavidHatton
Junior Member
Have to agree with you on Abbott, she is my ward MP, Hackney North and Stoke Newington, and has a 33,000 majority.
In July 2018 the 11th a Wednesday as I recall Dr Graham Riding performed open aortic abdominal aneurysm surgery on me and saved my life along with a host of other people, I arrived at 7-30am the last thing I remember is Moiz the anethatist saying I will give you my gin and tonic time was 09-30am next it was 6-10pm, to cut a long storey short I went to the doctors with a cough Had a load of tests finishing with a ct scan which my gp doctor Jay short for Jayacumar she insisted I had this scan (boy am I glad) this is known as the silent killer no symtoms no pain and is usually found while looking for something else it is hereditary and will kill you if not found, both my kids will be tested at 60, Royal Preston hospital has a team of 19 vascular sergeons who cover most of the northwest of England the treatment I got there was second to none they even brought a tv into icu so we could watch England play in the world cup I don't remember much of that being croggy, I firmly believe the people of this great country of ours will never let the nhs fall into privat hands, it is the thing I would take to the streets in protest, I agree there are a lot of people who use it who don,t need to people who cant get a doctors appointment because they have a cold rock up at a&e just tell em to man up and kick em out, on privatisation Macmillon tried Heath tried and Thachter all failed its ours we pay for it they will never take it away, I am 66 now I have been in hospital 4 times tonsils which every kid my age had removed, ear operation, I was run over by a car in 1958 6 weeks in hospital, and the big one, if anyone has a family history of aneurysm get tested at 60 these can take 25 years to grow mine was 5.9cm operation time is 5.0cm
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