As soon as you start using fresh grains (and hops) in your beer you get a huge difference. Grain makes much better beer than extract. It's not hard, just takes longer. Soak some grains at a constant temperature, boil the wort that you get from that, add hops to the boil, cool it and add yeast. Fancy equipment makes it look complicated. It isn't. Half grains half extract might be a good step. Soak about 2kg grains, add about 2kg dry extract, boil with hops. Or just use grains and make about 10-12 litres. Lots of ways to make beer that uses grains, without fancy equipment, which is just as good as all grain beer made with fancy equipment. Sanitation and reasonable temperature management, and a good recipe, and you're in. Luxury beer, the pub will seem sh*t. Most pubs anyway. and the bottles you buy will seem like a complete waste of money. Most of them. My first taste of my first AG beer, a dry stout, I just said "Oh my god..." :thumb: