simon12
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Its morally different saying otherwise is like saying the government sending someone to prison is morally the same as me locking someone in a basement against there will for my own gain.
The death penalty.
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Lol yes... never thought of that!
I do not see the point in keeping people in overcrowded prisons for 40+ years when they are (as in this case) never going to be let out, bring back the electric chair and let a family member throw the switch (if they want to) i know i would if someone murdered a member of my family.
MrRook
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I find it fascinating that criminals will willingly kill a victim (a death penalty), but will cry for mercy and claim it's cruel and unusual punishment if the authorities want to give him the same treatment.
BeerisGOD
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Those saying 'no' should try to put themselves in the position of losing someone to a cold act of murder , someone you love dearly, who loves you and who you couldnt imagine being without.
So when u next talk to your kids or wife etc' imagine seeing them next in a body bag beaten to a pulp by some crazy ******* (DNA proven) who just snapped one day and just wanted to kill someone.
try to put yourself in these victims shoes for a moment or two before you send some statistical bull#*÷! Response
So when u next talk to your kids or wife etc' imagine seeing them next in a body bag beaten to a pulp by some crazy ******* (DNA proven) who just snapped one day and just wanted to kill someone.
try to put yourself in these victims shoes for a moment or two before you send some statistical bull#*÷! Response
he went down as a martyr in my book
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please dont take this the wrong way, its an atrocious thing to happen to your sister, but do you regard rape as moral?
If some deranged psychopath murdered my missus or kid, I'd want them 'taking out' too. But I don't think I could do it so I'd have to find some deranged psychopath to do the deed. But there wouldn't be any if we had the death penalty! Oh it's a conundrum for sure...
Linalmeemow
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I have had this precise conversation with my wife, who used to be pro death penalty, coming from a country where it's still in force. If someone murdered her or my kids I'd want revenge for sure. I'd probably want to kill them myself, but if I did so I'd expect to be punished for it myself. I am still absolutely against the death penalty; it is not the state's place to take revenge on behalf of victims of crime. Whole life sentences are fine by me, but the death penalty is barbaric.
And not a statistic in sight.
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But why would you care about being punished yourself? Id happily do time if i knew id buried the killer of one of my loved ones.
So locking someone up for 40 plus years with no hope of ever seeing the outside world again is not barbaric, prisons are supposed to reform those that have done wrong if you give a prisoner a sentence with no chance of ever getting out he may as well be dead and I wonder how many would take that option if it was an option.
Linalmeemow
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I didn't say I'd care if I were punished, only that I'd expect to be.
I couldn't agree more.
Linalmeemow
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I think there are some crimes and criminals for which rehabilitation and reform simply isn't an option - the Moors murderers, for example.
I agree and in my opinion these people should be exterminated.
Linalmeemow
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We'll agree to disagree here then.
Of course I don't. What a silly question.
... yuhp.
Edit: I was drunk and feeling slightly facetious yesterday (sorry about that), so I thought I'd add a proper reply.
Firstly, you've avoided the question. You've not logically demonstrated that they are different, you've just asserted that they are and thrown a red herring in there.
I maintain that killing someone does not suddenly become ok because the government has said so.
Secondly, the situation you point to simply isn't equivalent. You locking someone in a basement against their will for your own gain isnt equivalent to locking someone in prison, and imprisonment isn't equivalent to killing someone. Its a false equivalence.
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Dutto
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I wouldn't have expected you to support Sharia Law, but that is one of the edicts after a person has been found guilty in court.
When I was in Iran, they allowed the family to knock the teeth out of a man found guilty of torturing their son!
Not something I can really approve of sorry.
Surely the death penalty is a punishment for those friends and family who in most cases may not have known anything about the crime. When you are dead... you are dead so its not really a punishment unless we keep people locked up on death row for years waiting for the death in which case its really defeating the point of the exercise in this case.
I think the only long term solution would be that somehow prison inmates can be "used" to produce things that have a positive inpact on the whole country. Not in a torture kind of way but if activity in prison could be turned into electricity for example then the cost of incarceration to the taxpayer would start to be balanced out.
I think the only long term solution would be that somehow prison inmates can be "used" to produce things that have a positive inpact on the whole country. Not in a torture kind of way but if activity in prison could be turned into electricity for example then the cost of incarceration to the taxpayer would start to be balanced out.
On the matter of "revenge killing" I wonder how many people that actually do this feel better for having done it? Although I agree the desire from myself would be there, I would actually doubt my ability to do it and also doubt it would actually make me feel any better.
