The Coronavirus thread.

[MyQul]

Well, heathrow has decided to shut one runway (but their waiting till monday to do it) and not because of public health but because of a reduction in flights. Only the other one to shut now

 

[kelper]

If nicotine is addictive, why do nicotine patches work?

 

[Northern_Brewer]

I read there's a country doing the opposite (think it might be austria but cant remember tbh) They put all the 'normal' patients in nightingale like 'pop up' hospitals and all the covids in the regular hospitals so the all the Drs and Nurses can concentrate on the Covids

That sounds like an elegant solution to me.

Not really - you're taking the "normal" patients with a whole range of different needs, away from the specialist facilities they might need. And they're no less or more important than the Covids, who are relatively straightforward in that in general "all" they need is oxygen and ventilators, but they don't need facilities for surgery etc unless they get really bad. Which is why the Nightingale strategy seems plausible - it's a factory for providing the majority of Covids with that intermediate level of care, whilst allowing the full-service hospitals to continue doing the job they were built for (and handling the most difficult Covid cases). Although I understand there have been big debates whether Nightingales should only do the intermediate service or whether they should try to get all Covid cases away from hospitals, just to give people like my relative more of a chance.

I've heard of Quebec moving a few specific categories of patients like mental health and palliative to a hotel - again the theory is that they generally won't need the full range of services that a hospital can provide.

 

[Northern_Brewer]

Grupo Modelo halt Corona production in Mexico because the government deems beer non-essential :
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/wor...op-brewing-coronavirus-outbreak-a4405871.html
However you've got to see that in the context of an ongoing fight between them and the Mexican government over a new factory to service the US market, which was cancelled last week by a referendum with a <5% turnout.

 

[dad_of_jon]

The missus is now pretty much as I was I think. she is boiling hot. I've got ice packs on her.
I've never seen her this ill. If one more person (In real life) says it's just a flu conspiracy I think I will explode.

paracetamol rather than ibuprofen to treat fever according to gov.

 

[MyQul]

Not really - you're taking the "normal" patients with a whole range of different needs, away from the specialist facilities they might need. And they're no less or more important than the Covids, who are relatively straightforward in that in general "all" they need is oxygen and ventilators, but they don't need facilities for surgery etc unless they get really bad. Which is why the Nightingale strategy seems plausible - it's a factory for providing the majority of Covids with that intermediate level of care, whilst allowing the full-service hospitals to continue doing the job they were built for (and handling the most difficult Covid cases). Although I understand there have been big debates whether Nightingales should only do the intermediate service or whether they should try to get all Covid cases away from hospitals, just to give people like my relative more of a chance.

I've heard of Quebec moving a few specific categories of patients like mental health and palliative to a hotel - again the theory is that they generally won't need the full range of services that a hospital can provide.

I think it's just a case of finding away (howerever that may be) of separating the covids from the normals so the covids dont infect the normals and deepen the crisis

 

[Northern_Brewer]

paracetamol rather than ibuprofen to treat fever according to gov.

Official line is that "There is currently no strong evidence that ibuprofen can make coronavirus (COVID-19) worse." but "Until we have more information, take paracetamol to treat the symptoms of coronavirus, unless your doctor has told you paracetamol is not suitable for you."

There was a bit of a scare that ibuprofen increased the number of receptors for the virus, but it's not been proven that there's a link between taking ibuprofen and a worse response to Covid19, and what I've seen in recent days seems to be ruling out a strong link at least. Given that long-term use of paracetamol isn't a great idea either, it's probably no bad thing to mix things up a little bit rather than relying on one drug to the exclusion of all others - and frankly it's probably more a question of what you can get, I've not seen much paracetamol-based stuff left on the shelves lately (although it can repay careful reading of ingredients lists in branded drugs).

 

[dad_of_jon]

Official line is that "There is currently no strong evidence that ibuprofen can make coronavirus (COVID-19) worse." but "Until we have more information, take paracetamol to treat the symptoms of coronavirus, unless your doctor has told you paracetamol is not suitable for you."

There was a bit of a scare that ibuprofen increased the number of receptors for the virus, but it's not been proven that there's a link between taking ibuprofen and a worse response to Covid19, and what I've seen in recent days seems to be ruling out a strong link at least. Given that long-term use of paracetamol isn't a great idea either, it's probably no bad thing to mix things up a little bit rather than relying on one drug to the exclusion of all others - and frankly it's probably more a question of what you can get, I've not seen much paracetamol-based stuff left on the shelves lately (although it can repay careful reading of ingredients lists in branded drugs).

Hi NB, you're reading from the same source, and they have access to more scientific info than I so I'll stick with that.

Personally I don't get along with ibuprofen at all so paracetamol all the way for me. (for the shortest possible time necessary of course). My weapon of choice is co-codamol 30/500 for back pain usually.

 

[MyQul]

My weapon of choice is Several pints of Russian Imperial Stout for back pain usually.

Fixed that for you DoJ

 

[dad_of_jon]

:hat:

Fixed that for you DoJ

 

[Brew_DD2]

If nicotine is addictive, why do nicotine patches work?

Replacement therapy. Allows people to keep getting the Nicotine that they crave and put down the cigarettes. The idea being that you reduce the dosage gradually and lessen the cravings.

 

[Brew_DD2]

Interesting.
I gave up smoking some years ago at the age of 27 because I wanted to run a marathon. I still had the odd dream about smoking for something like five to ten years afterwards (obviously this is a subjective comment, as I did not diarise this).

I hate the thought of smoking again, and absolutely hate the smell. The moment I have a few beers though, I always have a moment of really fancying a smoke. It's a positive psychological association. That feeling will probably always be there.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

If nicotine is addictive, why do nicotine patches work?

They don't they go out as soon as you light them.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Replacement therapy. Allows people to keep getting the Nicotine that they crave and put down the cigarettes. The idea being that you reduce the dosage gradually and lessen the cravings.

I wish vaping had been around when tried to give up the first time, i couldn't get on with patches but think vaping and reducing the strength over time would have.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Official line is that "There is currently no strong evidence that ibuprofen can make coronavirus (COVID-19) worse." but "Until we have more information, take paracetamol to treat the symptoms of coronavirus, unless your doctor has told you paracetamol is not suitable for you."

There was a video earlier in the thread explaining that ibuprofen acts against the fever which is the opposite of what you want (or something very similar) i don't know if it is true but the guy was very convincing.

 

[Gulpitdarn]

I hate the thought of smoking again, and absolutely hate the smell. The moment I have a few beers though, I always have a moment of really fancying a smoke. It's a positive psychological association. That feeling will probably always be there.

Exactly the same here and I've been packed up with smoking some 20 years.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

 

[Chippy_Tea]

 

[An Ankoù]

I think the US deaths figure is wrong, and hence the total for the world. I think it should read 1028. Regrettably.

 

[simon12]

I think the US deaths figure is wrong, and hence the total for the world. I think it should read 1028. Regrettably.

The US numbers go up as each state puts in there numbers if you go to Coronavirus Update (Live): 1,041,106 Cases and 55,203 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer then click on USA it gives the state breakdown and currently only 6 have added numbers