The Coronavirus thread.

[MyQul]

We are still allowed to go out for one exercise a day though right?

Yup

 

[The Baron]

Yes you can still go out for exercise but you can not travel any distance in your car to walk or walk the dog/cycle etc no matter how isolated the area is I think that is what Priti Patel said on the news

 

[The Baron]

I think it to stop people going out for the day to the seaside or country towns woods or parks so only local to you

 

[Chippy_Tea]

We are still allowed to go out for one exercise a day though right?

Yes but you are not allowed to drive miles to take it you are supposed to stay close to home, some think this is petty but a breakdown operator rang 5 live today to say he had been called out several times putting himself at risk, they may also use filling stations agin risking spreading or catching the virus, the message is simple stay at home and if you need to exercise do it locally do not use the car.

The sooner they bring this in everywhere the better.

Road checkpoints are to be used in North Yorkshire to determine if drivers' journeys are essential.

It comes after people across the UK were urged to stay at home unless absolutely necessary to slow the spread of coronavirus.

The move is being introduced to ensure motorists are complying with government restrictions, North Yorkshire Police said.

The checkpoints will be in place at different locations across the county.

• Barbecues and crisps - the lockdown rule-breakers
• Coronavirus in England: Day three of lockdown
• Your questions: Can I travel by car to go for a walk?

Assistant Chief Constable Mike Walker said: "The new and significant restrictions... spell out very clearly what each and every one of us must do to save lives.

"The message is clear and the warning stark: stay at home, save lives."

"These are the lives of the people we know and love. Our partners, mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, children, grandparents."

"You may never be in such a position again where your simple actions will lead directly to saving lives," he said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-52050477

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Clap for carers at 20:00 hows about clap for all who are forced to go to work as their jobs are classed as essential, i would love to hide in my house with the family until this is over unfortunately i cannot as i am classed as providing an essential service.

Rant over.

 

[simon12]

Don't think we will ever get the real answer Simon do you?

No chance China has already tried to claim it started in Italy or the US

 

[simon12]

Recent articles suggest the UK death no is either 113 or 115 with a total of 578

 

[Oneflewover]

Clap for carers at 20:00 hows about clap for all who are forced to go to work as their jobs are classed as essential, i would love to hide in my house with the family until this is over unfortunately i cannot as i am classed as providing an essential service.

Rant over.

Sorry mate but carers are putting themselves in direct line of fire every day without proper protection

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Sorry mate but carers are putting themselves in direct line of fire every day without proper protection

I agree to a certain degree but there are a lot of jobs where you cannot keep a distance from your fellow workers and you are dealing with stuff that could be contaminated, i am lucky i drive a wagon on my own but look at the bin men/women and recycling crews they are 3 to a cab and are dealing with those tissues they told us all to sneeze into then bin, they cannot keep the social distance they insist we need to be from each other and have you seen the protection they are given.
Buss and taxi drivers deal with cash and cannot keep a distance from those that may be infected, checkout staff have to handle cash and all items they put through the till they are all at risk but get little recognition.

 

[An Ankoù]

I agree to a certain degree but there are a lot of jobs where you cannot keep a distance from your fellow workers and you are dealing with stuff that could be contaminated, i am lucky i drive a wagon on my own but look at the bin men/women and recycling crews they are 3 to a cab and are dealing with those tissues they told us all to sneeze into then bin, they cannot keep the social distance they insist we need to be from each other and have you seen the protection they are given.
Buss and taxi drivers deal with cash and cannot keep a distance from those that may be infected, checkout staff have to handle cash and all items they put through the till they are all at risk but get little recognition.

You've hit the nail on the head, Chippy. All those situations need to be closed down if we're to get on top of this. Otherwise we won't. 100+ today, was it? How many tomorrow?
A bit counter-intuitive, but the virus on those tissues is probably dead by the time the binnies get to it.

 

[MyQul]

I agree to a certain degree but there are a lot of jobs where you cannot keep a distance from your fellow workers and you are dealing with stuff that could be contaminated, i am lucky i drive a wagon on my own but look at the bin men/women and recycling crews they are 3 to a cab and are dealing with those tissues they told us all to sneeze into then bin, they cannot keep the social distance they insist we need to be from each other and have you seen the protection they are given.
Buss and taxi drivers deal with cash and cannot keep a distance from those that may be infected, checkout staff have to handle cash and all items they put through the till they are all at risk but get little recognition.

I saw loads of meat wagons yesterday on the way home. All those coppers crammed in together

 

[Chippy_Tea]

You've hit the nail on the head, Chippy. Al those situations need to be closed down if we're to get on top of this. Otherwise we won't. 100+ today, was it? How many tomorrow?

I don't think they will ever stop refuse collection as we have all seen what happens when bin men/women go on strike even for a short period.

As for busses, trains taxis i guess people have to move around especially those on zero hours contracts etc, i don't think the government can go much further but we will see.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I saw loads of meat wagons yesterday on the way home. All those coppers crammed in together

They'll be OK as copper is antimicrobial

 

[marshbrewer]

Aye, my understanding is that your exercise should start and finish at your house.

 

[An Ankoù]

They'll be OK as copper is antimicrobial

Brilliant!

 

[foxy]

Yes there was an article in the Sydney Morning Herald saying Australians were more concerned about the economy than the virus.
Much like the woman I work with. Crying because the shares she'd bought after the election had gone down.
Wanted to know if she'd still get her franking credits (that's an Aussie thing).
And the bloke in work saying the Australian government should step in and help the share market go up.

And as already mentioned you're linking to a thinktank article.
You might as well link to Alan Jones, a radio shock jock who claims it's just a bit of flu, while broadcasting remotely from his home.
Or Gerry Harvey, who owns electrical stores claiming it's great because he's selling a load of freezers.

But me personally although I've lost a shitload on the stockmarket and it'll put my retirement back.
I'm more concerned about any of my family or friends getting Covid-19.

But hey, if it floats your boat worry more about money. That's the right wing way isn't it.

I can see that the word 'economic' has confused you. It is not about personal wealth it is about the economic impact to the countries. There will be a lot of small to medium size businesses not reopening, unemployment is going to escalate, the more unemployed the less taxes paid in, therefore hospitals, welfare, infrastructure becomes a huge burden on the governments. The longer it goes on the longer the recovery, China is just starting to reopen businesses trouble the supply lines are blocked with companies they were supplying being closed.

As for being concerned about deaths, it's not just among family and friends as you are concerned about, it's across the board. Deaths are and will be inevitable, we can't do any more than what is being done. When virus like this comes around it will always be the aged and the sick will have the highest mortality rate.
As for the link I posted Brookings are re known for dealing in facts, that's why governments around the world listen to what they have to say, they have no political agenda.
As for worrying about money, I don't, I too have taken a huge hit to my super even though it is in a conservative account, but I understand the share market and know it will come back eventually, stronger than before it fell. If you are worried about having to delay your retirement now is the time to really get serious about your voluntary contributions into your super.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Aye, my understanding is that your exercise should start and finish at your house.

Mine does - couch - fridge - couch thumb

 

[Leon103]

How did Covid-19 start?

The disease appears to have originated from a Wuhan seafood market where wild animals, including marmots, birds, rabbits, bats and snakes, are traded illegally. Coronaviruses are known to jump from animals to humans, so it’s thought that the first people infected with the disease – a group primarily made up of stallholders from the seafood market – contracted it from contact with animals.

The hunt for the animal source of Covid-19 is still unknown, although there are some strong contendors. A team of virologists at the Wuhan Institute for Virology released a detailed paper showing that the new coronaviruses' genetic makeup is 96 per cent identical to that of a coronavirus found in bats, while an as-yet unpublished study argues that genetic sequences of coronavirus in pangolins are 99 per cent similar to the human virus. Some early cases of Covid-19, however, appear to have inflicted people with no link to the Wuhan market at all, suggesting that the initial route of human infection may pre-date the market cases.

The Wuhan market was shut down for inspection and cleaning on January 1, but by then it appears that Covid-19 was already starting to spread beyond the market itself. On January 21, the WHO Western Pacific office said the disease was also being transmitted between humans – evidence of which is apparent after medical staff became infected with the virus. Since then, evidence of widespread human-to-human transmission outside of China has been well established, making chances of containing the virus much harder.


https://www.wired.co.uk/article/china-coronavirus

There was a brief thing about the origin on the bbc earlier. Can't find it now but it said they believed it is bats but also said it is likely to be some other mammel. Never heard of seen it before and can't find it now. It said it's the most trafficked mammal in Asia and isnusef for food and medicine

 

[MyQul]

unemployment is going to escalate, the more unemployed the less taxes paid in, therefore hospitals, welfare, infrastructure becomes a huge burden on the governments.

It's already happening. Here, universal credit claims have gone through the roof, 1/2 million extra in the past week or so. I saw on the news people were number 'several thousand' in the queue when applying on the phone. In the US 3.3million unemployment claims since last week

 

[Leon103]

I wonder where it came from then?

Eating veg and fruit covered in bats **** and ****? Most illnesses are caused by bad food prep.