The Coronavirus thread.

[MyQul]

Traffic is heavier here but its not as bad as i had expected, the weather hasn't been as hot as of late maybe that has done us a favour.

We've got a almost a week of 21C+ and blazing sunshine (or should I say bazing C-19). No way is that going to go wrong at at all, oh no.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Lock the doors and stay in mate.

 

[MyQul]

Lock the doors and stay in mate.

Apart from work and supply runs I will

 

[Joust]

What time are people finding the supermarket quietest for the big shop? Last Monday lunch time at a big Tesco took 50 mins of queuing to get in.

 

[Covrich]

I just go when I can I have been 8am on a sturday morning and there was a big queue, by the time I got to the front of that queue it was 3 times the size when I got there.. I have been 4pm on a tuesday and still have to wait 20 mins to get in.

I am of the opinion that this isn't going away and we better just need to ease our way into a new way of life..

 

[Druncan]

Aye @Covrich, and I'm Bored, bored, bored. Today from my window I have seen one car, five tractors and about 30 coos and 200 sheep. But I suspect the sheep are circling our house to induce panic, or sleep. Strange not seeing any plane vapour trails anymore,,, Looking at buying an Ebike conversion for my old MTB for when the fuel runs out as its not worth processing it for the current price of crude. Back to the loft conversion,,,,

 

[Northern_Brewer]

What time are people finding the supermarket quietest for the big shop? Last Monday lunch time at a big Tesco took 50 mins of queuing to get in.

I saw some numbers based on ?phone location data? which suggested that Monday was almost as busy as the weekend, the best time is mid-week. And the later the better, it gets quieter after 7.30 or so, quieter still in the last hour before closing. You're running a bit of risk on stock levels but IME it's not too much of a problem at the moment apart from a lot of baking stuff and a handful of specialist items where supplies haven't caught up with the new normal.

More on hydroxychloroquine from a study based in Paris "The overall survival rate at day 21 was 89% in the [hydroxychloroquine] treatment group and 91% in the [group without hydroxychloroquine]". So yes, lots of people treated with hydroxychloroquine get better - but that's because they're also being given oxygen etc and not because of the hydroxychloroquine. Would you rather be in the group with 9% death rate or 11% death rate?

Also 10% of the hydroxychloroquine group had to stop treatment with hydroxychloroquine because of heart flutters.

 

[MmmBeer]

I have only experienced a long queue once so far, in an edge of town supermarket. I was about to walk straight in when I noticed the queue stretching 3/4's of the way around the car park and barely moving. I turned round and drove to my regular town centre supermarket, which had less than 10 people in the queue and the 'pay and display' disabled in it's car park.

As for masks and gloves, I would estimate 10% of the shoppers I have seen were wearing them, Even some of the staff don't wear them and they have been in daily contact with thousands of people for the eight weeks of lockdown. In Health and Safety philosophy, the use of PPE is always considered the least preferable option and to be used only as a last resort. It is always better to avoid social interaction, then to limit interactions to as short and infrequent as possible.

 

[obscure]

I’ve being lucky en to get weekly delivery slots (I suspect being outside London helps as I have not bad anywhere near the kind of issues getting delivery‘s some people have. I have no intention of shopting in person anytime soon if I can avoi it.

Nit just down to the lines, it was the general feeling of unease the last couple of times I went in person which ensure I have little desire to go back. Alos after sox weeks of delivery‘s I’m not sure if I would ever want to go back to shopping in person, despite shopping in Tesco instead of ALDI my grocery spend has gone down, as I make basically no impulse purchases. When you can only shop once a week proper meal planning becomes a must.

 

[simon12]

I saw some numbers based on ?phone location data? which suggested that Monday was almost as busy as the weekend, the best time is mid-week. And the later the better, it gets quieter after 7.30 or so, quieter still in the last hour before closing. You're running a bit of risk on stock levels but IME it's not too much of a problem at the moment apart from a lot of baking stuff and a handful of specialist items where supplies haven't caught up with the new normal.

More on hydroxychloroquine from a study based in Paris "The overall survival rate at day 21 was 89% in the [hydroxychloroquine] treatment group and 91% in the [group without hydroxychloroquine]". So yes, lots of people treated with hydroxychloroquine get better - but that's because they're also being given oxygen etc and not because of the hydroxychloroquine. Would you rather be in the group with 9% death rate or 11% death rate?

Also 10% of the hydroxychloroquine group had to stop treatment with hydroxychloroquine because of heart flutters.

Same as the US test that said it doesn't work they only give it to people who are in hospital who already need oxygen. The idea it may work is it slows the virus spread so need to be given at onset of symptoms by the time your in hospital needing oxygen its to late.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I find 2 pm is quietest at out Tesco.

 

[Northern_Brewer]

Same as the US test that said it doesn't work they only give it to people who are in hospital who already need oxygen. The idea it may work is it slows the virus spread so need to be given at onset of symptoms by the time your in hospital needing oxygen its to late.

This trial was still at an earlier stage than others, and the logistics of giving it at symptom onset gets complicated, particularly when you're seeing so many side-effects that mean you don't really want to be giving it prophylatically "just in case" to people who aren't in hospital without ready access to high-end care. And it all helps narrow down the range of when it may or may not be useful.

I understand the hope for anything that might help with this awful disease but it's worth emphasising that anti-virals are difficult. Even the mainstream ones aren't terribly effective - Tamiflu reduces the period with flu symptoms by 10%, from 7.0 days to 6.3 days.

The political aspects of the hydroxyquinolone hype also deserve consideration, there's noise around hydroxyquinolone that doesn't reflect its usefulness. If I was going to get optimistic about any one drug (which I'm not) it would probably be nafamostat or camostat mesylate which may block the virus' entry into lung cells, but it doesn't get talked about by the right people so isn't on the radar of the conspiracy nuts.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Loss of smell or taste have been added to the UK's list of coronavirus symptoms that people should look out for and self-isolate with.

Until now, only a fever and cough were triggers for people to shut themselves away in self-isolation in case they had and could spread the infection.

Ear, nose and throat doctors had been warning for weeks that more symptoms should be included.

Scientific advisers told the government to update the advice.

If you or someone you live with has any of these symptoms - a new, continuous cough, fever or loss of smell or taste (also called anosmia) - the advice is stay at home for seven days to stop the risk of giving coronavirus to others.

Cough and loss of smell or taste can persist after seven days. You do not need to keep self-isolating after seven days, unless you have a high temperature or are unwell, says the advice.

• Coronavirus: What should I do if I have symptoms?

Loss of smell and taste may still be signs of other respiratory infections, such as the common cold. Experts say fever and cough remain important symptoms of coronavirus to look out for.

BBC News

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Everyone over age of five in the UK with symptoms can now be tested for coronavirus, Health Secretary Matt Hancock has announced.

He was speaking in Parliament after the loss of taste or smell was added to the list of Covid-19 symptoms, alongside a fever and a new persistent cough.

Mr Hancock said the government was "expanding eligibility for testing further than ever before", and 100,678 tests had been conducted on Sunday.

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[Joust]

How bad do people feel they'd need to be before getting a test? Would you pop down for one if you felt like you had a cold?

 

[Chippy_Tea]

How bad do people feel they'd need to be before getting a test? Would you pop down for one if you felt like you had a cold?

If i had more than one of the symptoms i would be tested.

 

[Joust]

If i had more than one of the symptoms i would be tested.

Yeah. Sounds right. I'd like to think I'd go for a test at the slightest hint. But in reality I'd probably be putting it off more than i'd like to admit.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

 

[Gerryjo]

Its a bit like the old days of CB radio (citizen band for the young ones) you could buy theses radios put them in your car and the authorities couldn't do anything but if you get caught using it you could be prosecuted, i don't know if anyone ever did get done and there were millions of people using them



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It was illegal to use but not have as you day unless you had a license which back then was about £16.
Its like buying a still which is perfectly legal as you can heat water or even make wort but if you use it for its intended purpose it then becomes illegal unless you have a license.

 

[Gerryjo]

Picked up a click and collect shopping order from Asda yesterday, not one person wearing a mask in sight.
The store guy came and stood right next to my window (kept shut) to talk to me, no attempt to keep 2m distance.
When it came to get out and load up my shopping I went the full Jesse James with knotted handkerchief covering my face. That fella spends all day in contact with a stream of punters, so I'm not too bothered by the sideways
glances from other shoppers.

I do a C&C from sainsburys where you are asked to open your boot then remain in the car. They come out with shopping load your boot and ask you then to close the boot. No contact but very friendly as us irish talk to nick the devil but what gets up my goat is the amount of plastic bags, about 50 of the buggers majority of which have single items..