The Barge

[Bosch]

To apply for asylum in the UK, you must be on UK soil.

You cannot apply for UK asylum outside the UK jurisdiction.

Clever one that.

 

[Bosch]

If those figures are right then obviously we haven't but the problem which i hear a lot on the daily phone-in's is this country is broke where are we going to house (pre barge) all these people, we cannot get in to see out GP's and the waiting list to get into hospitals is growing if we were to match Germany where would 2.1 million live?

I will repeat this is about stopping these people travelling through safe countries to get onto a small boat and risking their lives to get here only to be put in a floating hotel until they are allowed to stay or not.

So they stay in mainland Europe and not go to the UK, full-stop.

Is that your argument?

 

[Chippy_Tea]

So they stay in mainland Europe and not go to the UK, full-stop.

Is that your argument?

How can asylum seekers apply for protection from outside the UK?​

There is no safe way to apply for asylum from outside of the UK. That’s why organisations like IRC keep calling for more safe and legal routes, including coordinating with European partners on offering protection to people seeking safety within Europe.

Providing safe routes for refugees means offering protection and safe ways of reaching the UK so that refugees don’t have to resort to dangerous journeys. Family reunion and resettlement schemes are two routes to the UK that would qualify as safe and legal routes.

Resettlement schemes offer protection for the most vulnerable refugees who are usually located in countries neighbouring crisis areas, having fled conflict or persecution at home. Unfortunately, even places under these routes are extremely limited. For instance, in 2021, the UK resettled approximately 1600 refugees - far fewer than we have the capacity to take. It is important to remember that the vast majority of the world’s 27 million refugees are hosted in countries neighbouring crisis areas.

In addition, many of these schemes are circumstance - or location-specific.

For example, following the crisis in Afghanistan in August 2021, the UK government formally opened the Afghan Citizens Resettlement Scheme (ACRS) in January 2022. The government has said that it will resettle more than 5,000 people in the first year and up to 20,000 over the coming years.

However, charities and politicians from all parties have highlighted that the ACRS will need to deliver more places, more quickly, to offer protection to Afghans that supported the UK effort and are at most risk of persecution.

While there are a handful of safe routes, the UK Government needs to significantly improve and expand them in order to help people seeking asylum. Our article examining the new Nationality and Borders Act suggests several ways these so-called safe routes could be reformed or work more effectively.

How does the recent Nationality and Borders Act change things? ​

The recent Nationality and Borders Act has brought in new laws that undermine an individual’s right to seek asylum in the first place.

The new law categorises refugees into two groups, based on how they arrive in the UK. These groups will receive different access to rights and protection. People arriving through so-called ‘illegal routes’, such as on small boats, may not be able to apply for asylum in the UK at all or only receive temporary protection.

UNHCR has said that some provisions of this new Act are in breach of the Refugee Convention which sets out the rights of refugees and allows people to seek asylum where they choose. ‘The UK is a nation that rightly prides itself on its long history of welcoming and protecting refugees,’ it says. ‘It is disappointing that it would choose a course of action aimed at deterring the seeking of asylum by relegating most refugees to a new, lesser status with few rights and a constant threat of removal.’

The IRC believes that no one should lose their right to apply for asylum by trying to access safety. Read more about the IRC’s analysis of the Nationality and Borders Act and the changes we’re calling for.



https://www.rescue.org/uk/article/c...MIh9eh8OnPgAMVlu3tCh26xALiEAAYAiAAEgK8n_D_BwE

 

[Clint]

I wonder if any boats get ashore that aren't pulled by the coastguard or navy?

 

[Bosch]

How can asylum seekers apply for protection from outside the UK?​

There is no safe way to apply for asylum from outside of the UK. That’s why organisations like IRC keep calling for more safe and legal routes, including coordinating with European partners on offering protection to people seeking safety within Europe.

Providing safe routes for refugees means offering protection and safe ways of reaching the UK so that refugees don’t have to resort to dangerous journeys. Family reunion and resettlement schemes are two routes to the UK that would qualify as safe and legal routes.

Resettlement schemes offer protection for the most vulnerable refugees who are usually located in countries neighbouring crisis areas, having fled conflict or persecution at home. Unfortunately, even places under these routes are extremely limited. For instance, in 2021, the UK resettled approximately 1600 refugees - far fewer than we have the capacity to take. It is important to remember that the vast majority of the world’s 27 million refugees are hosted in countries neighbouring crisis areas.

In addition, many of these schemes are circumstance - or location-specific.

For example, following the crisis in Afghanistan in August 2021, the UK government formally opened the Afghan Citizens Resettlement Scheme (ACRS) in January 2022. The government has said that it will resettle more than 5,000 people in the first year and up to 20,000 over the coming years.

However, charities and politicians from all parties have highlighted that the ACRS will need to deliver more places, more quickly, to offer protection to Afghans that supported the UK effort and are at most risk of persecution.

While there are a handful of safe routes, the UK Government needs to significantly improve and expand them in order to help people seeking asylum. Our article examining the new Nationality and Borders Act suggests several ways these so-called safe routes could be reformed or work more effectively.

How does the recent Nationality and Borders Act change things? ​

The recent Nationality and Borders Act has brought in new laws that undermine an individual’s right to seek asylum in the first place.

The new law categorises refugees into two groups, based on how they arrive in the UK. These groups will receive different access to rights and protection. People arriving through so-called ‘illegal routes’, such as on small boats, may not be able to apply for asylum in the UK at all or only receive temporary protection.

UNHCR has said that some provisions of this new Act are in breach of the Refugee Convention which sets out the rights of refugees and allows people to seek asylum where they choose. ‘The UK is a nation that rightly prides itself on its long history of welcoming and protecting refugees,’ it says. ‘It is disappointing that it would choose a course of action aimed at deterring the seeking of asylum by relegating most refugees to a new, lesser status with few rights and a constant threat of removal.’

The IRC believes that no one should lose their right to apply for asylum by trying to access safety. Read more about the IRC’s analysis of the Nationality and Borders Act and the changes we’re calling for.



https://www.rescue.org/uk/article/c...MIh9eh8OnPgAMVlu3tCh26xALiEAAYAiAAEgK8n_D_BwE

Neither yes nor no.
Just copy/paste

 

[Chippy_Tea]

So they stay in mainland Europe and not go to the UK, full-stop.

NO.

Existing safe and legal routes to the UK​

The boundaries between UK refugee resettlement schemes and other lawful routes have blurred. For example, calculations of the number of people “offered refuge” in the UK sometimes include people coming through routes that do not assess individuals’ needs for protection.

The UK currently operates several safe and legal immigration routes:

• The UK Resettlement Scheme, Community Sponsorship, and the Mandate Scheme are refugee resettlement programmes.
• Refugee family reunion visas are available to people who were immediate relatives of people granted refuge in the UK, before they left their country of origin (known as pre-flight relatives).
• Nationality-specific bespoke immigration routes are available to some Afghans, Ukrainians, and people from Hong Kong.

Each route has eligibility criteria and conditions attached to the permission to stay. Not all the routes give beneficiaries refugee status and the associated rights and entitlements specified in the 1951 Refugee Convention.

How many people use those routes?​

There are significantly more applications for asylum than the number of people who come to the UK through organised refugee resettlement schemes or as close family members of recognised refugees.

According to Home Office quarterly immigration statistics, between September 2021 and September 2022:

• 1,391 people came through a refugee resettlement scheme.
• 4,786 people came through refugee family reunion rules.
• 72,027 asylum applications were submitted.
• 15,987 asylum seekers were given permission to stay (rising to 17,658 after appeal).

But in addition to the above, significant numbers of people have come through the bespoke visa routes for people from Hong Kong with British National (Overseas) status (144,576 visas granted between 31 January 2021 – 30 September 2022), and the two Ukraine Schemes (186,893 visas issued since March 2022). And as at 24 November 2022, 12,300 people had been granted indefinite leave to remain under the two schemes for Afghan nationals.

 

[Bosch]

NO.

Existing safe and legal routes to the UK​

The boundaries between UK refugee resettlement schemes and other lawful routes have blurred. For example, calculations of the number of people “offered refuge” in the UK sometimes include people coming through routes that do not assess individuals’ needs for protection.

The UK currently operates several safe and legal immigration routes:

• The UK Resettlement Scheme, Community Sponsorship, and the Mandate Scheme are refugee resettlement programmes.
• Refugee family reunion visas are available to people who were immediate relatives of people granted refuge in the UK, before they left their country of origin (known as pre-flight relatives).
• Nationality-specific bespoke immigration routes are available to some Afghans, Ukrainians, and people from Hong Kong.

Each route has eligibility criteria and conditions attached to the permission to stay. Not all the routes give beneficiaries refugee status and the associated rights and entitlements specified in the 1951 Refugee Convention.

How many people use those routes?​

There are significantly more applications for asylum than the number of people who come to the UK through organised refugee resettlement schemes or as close family members of recognised refugees.

According to Home Office quarterly immigration statistics, between September 2021 and September 2022:

• 1,391 people came through a refugee resettlement scheme.
• 4,786 people came through refugee family reunion rules.
• 72,027 asylum applications were submitted.
• 15,987 asylum seekers were given permission to stay (rising to 17,658 after appeal).

But in addition to the above, significant numbers of people have come through the bespoke visa routes for people from Hong Kong with British National (Overseas) status (144,576 visas granted between 31 January 2021 – 30 September 2022), and the two Ukraine Schemes (186,893 visas issued since March 2022). And as at 24 November 2022, 12,300 people had been granted indefinite leave to remain under the two schemes for Afghan nationals.

No need for all caps.

Perhaps, if the UK allowed asylum seekers to seek asylum outside the mainland UK, you may seek reduction of desperate people making crossings on rubber dinghies.

 

[The Baron]

No need for all caps.

Perhaps, if the UK allowed asylum seekers to seek asylum outside the mainland UK, you may seek reduction of desperate people making crossings on rubber dinghies.

I will say again they are not desperate as they were in a safe country France

 

[Rodcx500z]

There is a bigger picture to all this, what that picture is i don't know, what i do know is if we started getting in blow up boats and sailing to France they would send us straight back

 

[Bosch]

There is a bigger picture to all this, what that picture is i don't know, what i do know is if we started getting in blow up boats and sailing to France they would send us straight back

Well, they will now, as you are no longer an EU citizen

 

[Clint]

I think the government want them here to go pick cauliflowers.

 

[The Baron]

I think the government want them here to go pick cauliflowers.

They refuse to pick cauli's unless they get 5 star lodgings but then they might be frightened of the knives as some of them had their rubber dingies punctured when they landed

 

[Rodcx500z]

I think the government want them here to go pick cauliflowers.

I like cauliflower so they better had pick em

 

[welly3]

I will say again they are not desperate as they were in a safe country France

And again, there are reasons why they wouldn't stay in France, of which you've been given a number of reasons.

 

[pilgrimhudd]

They refuse to pick cauli's unless they get 5 star lodgings but then they might be frightened of the knives as some of them had their rubber dingies punctured when they landed

There's an Express headline in the making.

 

[welly3]

They refuse to pick cauli's unless they get 5 star lodgings but then they might be frightened of the knives as some of them had their rubber dingies punctured when they landed

They're not getting 5 star lodgings. Or 4 star. Or probably 3 star. Anyone who says they are, are being willingly deceitful and those who believe them... I've got some snake oil for sale. Roll up, roll up!

 

[Brew_DD2]

We do take our fair share I thought this was about stopping these poor people thking this is the land of milk and honey which encourages them to risk their lives crossing the channel in small boats

No we don't. Not even close.

 

[Brew_DD2]

If those figures are right then obviously we haven't but the problem which i hear a lot on the daily phone-in's is this country is broke where are we going to house (pre barge) all these people, we cannot get in to see out GP's and the waiting list to get into hospitals is growing if we were to match Germany where would 2.1 million live?

That's an issue of under-investment in our public services. Something we've allowed to happen by voting for a party that ideologically disagrees with state-provisioned public services.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

No need for all caps.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

No we don't. Not even close.

I answered that two and a half hours ago.