Makes sense. As an electoral system PR makes slipping towards authoritarianism difficult as most of the time you have a coalition government, meaning any change requires consensus across a number of parties.
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Makes sense. As an electoral system PR makes slipping towards authoritarianism difficult as most of the time you have a coalition government, meaning any change requires consensus across a number of parties.
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Shouldnt mix politics and beer...
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Loonytoone
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Oh yes...sorry, please carry on.
Something best checked out for yourself. Not really a quick answer. But it does stands for "anti-fascist." By all accounts, it's a loosely organized, far-left group of trouble makers.
I can tell you what antifa isn't:
1. It's not responsible for the insurrection on our Capitol on January 6th. That would be the far-right extremists leading the stupid.
2. It's not the most dangerous terrorist group to the US on American soil (that title belongs to the white nationalists). That's according to our FBI.
3. It's not the organization responsible for the most killings (antifa has around zero killings). The RW extremists are responsible for well-north of 300.
But, to the far-right, the above can be nothing but fake news.
There is no better time to discuss politics than when one's had three pints or more, I've found. And I've never had to apologize for being unfair or obnoxious afterward, either.
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My cousin in Oregon knows what they are. She is afraid to go to Portland because of them. We are Independents and like neither extremes of the far right or left. Antifa are no heroes. They attacked the Police station and Federal courthouse trying to set them on fire with people inside. They also attacked businesses because they don't believe in private ownership or free markets. They fly the red flag of Communists and the black flag of Anarchists. I don't agree with either them or the Jan 6 at the Captial. Communists and Fascists have no place in a free society.
Agreed Tony, but people never changing their voting habits doesn’t mean we dont have a democracy.
The party whip system can be abused to put party will over MPs voting in their constituency interest definitely, but I’m more concerned about how easily the tabloids influence people to vote against their own best interests.
I always found such notions were developed to stifle debate.
Very well put.
But if Antifa was purely an anti-fascist movement most of us should be members by default.
I've thought about that too a number of times but that's where "troublemaker" comes in. The criminal behavior is somewhat limited--but it is definitely not supported.
Our political right wants to paint them as the premier terrorist organization. I have yet to find anything they've done worthy of it or that individuals don't already do on their own.
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Really? I'd go to Portland in a heartbeat.
I have not patience for and zero support for any group that operates with threats, violence or outside of the law. From what I've seen, the RW really tries to make more of antifa than is there.
"A fake antifa Twitter account that called for violence was actually run by a white nationalist group, according to a Twitter spokesperson." from a MSM source, so not sure if this will mean anything. Many examples of this.
@scrap iron That's too bad. She would be perfectly safe in Portland. It's a lovely place.
"A fake antifa Twitter account that called for violence was actually run by a white nationalist group, according to a Twitter spokesperson." from a MSM source, so not sure if this will mean anything. Many examples of this.
@scrap iron That's too bad. She would be perfectly safe in Portland. It's a lovely place.
Agreed, but that is why I stated that if all they did was oppose fascists…
Yeah, the criminality is certainly a stain. As far as who the protesters were, young people get very motivated over injustice and that doesn't mean they are even associated with antifa. The intention behind the upset was legitimate. That mess stemmed from the Floyd incident, did it not? There was also some pushback when the government was sending in non-National Guard, used excessive force.
Again, I don't support illegal activity. In the same breath, you're going to put a bee in people's bonnet when you try to suppress them.
Again, I don't support illegal activity. In the same breath, you're going to put a bee in people's bonnet when you try to suppress them.
It's really lovely and not a place where one would worry about safety--maybe worry about the barista being a jerk but that's all.
I've experienced the same with Detroit though. I can't tell you how many people are afraid to go downtown and it's all media based. As far as our suburbs are concerned, the entire city is in flames and there are drug dealers on every corner.
There are places to steer clear of but those are obvious just by looking.
scrap iron
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Yes I've been to Portland years ago and it is a lovely place. My cousin lives in eastern Oregon. The northwest is beautiful, I was stationed at Fort Lewis near Seattle and enjoyed it there also. We are all just so tired of all the politics and BS. It seems like some people don't know how to behave and have no tolerance for different views anymore. This is from last year but feelings still linger.
After a year of protests, Portland residents have waning patience for antifa - ABC News (go.com)
"There's been a growing animosity towards some of the protests among, you know, the population of Portland," he said. "A lot of the people are tired. A lot of people are exhausted, the police force is getting tired. We're unsure of what direction this will head".
After a year of protests, Portland residents have waning patience for antifa - ABC News (go.com)
"There's been a growing animosity towards some of the protests among, you know, the population of Portland," he said. "A lot of the people are tired. A lot of people are exhausted, the police force is getting tired. We're unsure of what direction this will head".
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A PR system would be better, and obviously more 'democratic', in the sense that it would give each voter a (more) equal vote. Currently British elections are effectively decided by a small minority of voters, as noted above. That alone is not enough, though. PR wouldn't prevent the likes of Johnson being elected. The problem is that 'consensus', although it sounds great, is unlikely to give the radical measures the country needs. We face a climate crisis. The housing market in the UK is a shambles, and is at the root of many of our economic woes. But would a centrist consensus Cabinet take the action needed? Just a couple of examples, there are plenty to choose from.
A Marxist terrorist group
What acts of terrorism have they been responsible for?
