Texas shooting 19 dead.

[ChrisR73]

Okay, here’s a completely new slant on the UK’s “parliamentary democracy”!

This particular government (with the Monarchs consent) is currently campaigning for the UK to leave the European Convention on Human Rights.

Why? Here’s a clue:

“In 2004 the 13th Protocol to the European Convention on Human Rights became binding on the United Kingdom, prohibiting the restoration of the death penalty for as long as the UK is a party to the convention.”

Want to have a guess as to who will benefit from the reintroduction of the death penalty in the UK?

Again you are not stating anything that shows that the UK is not a parliamentary democracy.
You are just playing a game of whataboutism which is totally unproductive.
We get that you’re convinced, but your argument is so weak that you can’t even explain your reasoning.

 

[Dutto]

I refer @Chippy_Tea to a much later publication by the BBC on the subject:

“Human Rights Act: UK government unveils reform proposals”
Published14 December 2021

To show that they were serious about changing the Human Rights Act the government, under Dominic Raab, commissioned an independent review which with its conclusions, advice and warnings run to 580 pages.

In synopsis, the review wants ministers to NOT rush to change things if the evidence shows that they don't need fixing.

Nowhere does it suggest that changes to the Human Rights Act will not take place!

 

[ChrisR73]

I refer @Chippy_Tea to a much later publication by the BBC on the subject:

“Human Rights Act: UK government unveils reform proposals”
Published14 December 2021

To show that they were serious about changing the Human Rights Act the government, under Dominic Raab, commissioned an independent review which with its conclusions, advice and warnings run to 580 pages.

In synopsis, the review wants ministers to NOT rush to change things if the evidence shows that they don't need fixing.

Nowhere does it suggest that changes to the Human Rights Act will not take place!

So you think they must be changing things, specifically the death penalty because they haven’t explicitly ruled it out?
That’s the same as absence of evidence is your evidence, which is a logical fallacy.
Surely you can do better.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Nowhere does it suggest that changes to the Human Rights Act will not take place

I hear the sound of many straws being clutched!

Earlier you suggested the government want the rules changing so they can bring back the death penalty, where does it say that?

 

[Dutto]

Again you are not stating anything that shows that the UK is not a parliamentary democracy.
…..

My reasoning is quite simple:

1. In 1965, the Murder (Abolition of Death Penalty) Act abolished capital punishment for all offences, except treason, piracy with violence and arson in Royal Dockyards.
2. All of the above remained capital crimes (confirmed in 1969) until 2004 when the 13th Protocol to the European Convention on Human Rights became binding on the United Kingdom, prohibiting the restoration of the death penalty for as long as the UK is a party to the convention.

Please note the word “treason” in 1. above! This includes “High Treason” which is defined as:

“High treason is the crime of disloyalty to the Crown. Offences constituting high treason include:

• plotting the murder of the sovereign
• committing adultery with the sovereign's consort or with the sovereign's eldest unmarried daughter, or with the wife of the heir to the throne
• levying war against the sovereign and adhering to the sovereign's enemies, giving them aid or comfort
• attempting to undermine the lawfully established line of succession.

I rest my case!
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……

Earlier you suggested the government want the rules changing so they can bring back the death penalty, where does it say that?

Maybe it was the same place that they didn’t say they would hold parties, whilst the rest of us abided by the rules that they imposed?
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[ChrisR73]

My reasoning is quite simple:

1. In 1965, the Murder (Abolition of Death Penalty) Act abolished capital punishment for all offences, except treason, piracy with violence and arson in Royal Dockyards.
2. All of the above remained capital crimes (confirmed in 1969) until 2004 when the 13th Protocol to the European Convention on Human Rights became binding on the United Kingdom, prohibiting the restoration of the death penalty for as long as the UK is a party to the convention.

Please note the word “treason” in 1. above! This includes “High Treason” which is defined as:

“High treason is the crime of disloyalty to the Crown. Offences constituting high treason include:

• plotting the murder of the sovereign
• committing adultery with the sovereign's consort or with the sovereign's eldest unmarried daughter, or with the wife of the heir to the throne
• levying war against the sovereign and adhering to the sovereign's enemies, giving them aid or comfort
• attempting to undermine the lawfully established line of succession.

I rest my case!
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Maybe it was the same place that they didn’t say they would hold parties, whilst the rest of us abided by the rules that they imposed?
:hat:

You have not made a case, and you have not reasoned anything.
You've speculated, wildly in fact.
Would you like to try again?

 

[Dutto]

You have not made a case, and you have not reasoned anything.
You've speculated, wildly in fact.
Would you like to try again?

Not in the slightest!

The older I get the less satisfaction I get out of saying “I told you so!”

Enjoy your position as a Subject within a Parliamentary Democracy ruled by an unelected Monarch; be they mad, bad or just dangerous to know!
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[ChrisR73]

Not in the slightest!

The older I get the less satisfaction I get out of saying “I told you so!”

Enjoy your position as a Subject within a Parliamentary Democracy ruled by an unelected Monarch; be they mad, bad or just dangerous to know!
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Yet you have not told us anything, other than you value stories instead of reality.

 

[Rodcx500z]

At the end of the day no matter how much care or try nothing will change, i first got to vote in 1971 nowt has changed it's still the same old crap, so i decided never to vote again and just live my life and be happy and i have done very well thank you, now i need a beer and a lie down

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Maybe it was the same place that they didn’t say they would hold parties, whilst the rest of us abided by the rules that they imposed?

I think you just ran out of the aforementioned straws!

 

[ChrisR73]

At the end of the day no matter how much care or try nothing will change, i first got to vote in 1971 nowt has changed it's still the same old crap, so i decided never to vote again and just live my life and be happy and i have done very well thank you, now i need a beer and a lie down

Strange, because I wasn’t born in 1971 but I’ve seen so much change in my lifetime.
I’m hoping to see many more changes too before I depart this stage.

 

[Rodcx500z]

I to have seen a lot of change but, not in politics, anyway enough of this i will leave everything in the safe hands of the elite while i bend their rules within the law of coarse

 

[Dutto]

I think you just ran out of the aforementioned straws!

I reiterate!
The older I get the less satisfaction I get out of saying “I told you so!”

Enjoy your position as a Subject within ruled by an unelected Monarch; be they mad, bad or just dangerous to know!
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[Chippy_Tea]

The older I get the less satisfaction I get out of saying “I told you so!”

I am surprised as it's all you seem do as you skip questions that punch holes in your posts, again I ask where did anyone say (as you posted earlier) they want to bring back the death penalty and why, if you cannot answer this question directly don't bother to answer.

 

[lancon]

I’ve read up a great deal about antifa.
They are a useful tool to the Democrats in the US- which is why the majority of their Twitter accounts were shut down the day after Biden’s inauguration.
Gun dealers are showing a massive number of first time gun buyers- it’s not the same old group of “scared republicans”

What is antifa?

 

[JockyBrewer]

I think the problem is that politicians in both countries are given quite a lot of freedom and privilege to be able to do what is required to govern the country. There's more of a code of conduct than hard and fast rules/laws, with the idea being that people use their common sense when a line has been crossed.

The problem is that they've both abusing that privilege for their personal benefit, and stacked the system to allow them to keep it that way. Members of the parties behind them have too much skin in the game and are too afraid to do anything about it.

I'm hoping that I might be proven wrong, and there is some moral backbone in the Tory party somewhere: Partygate: Boris Johnson urged to explain why fine did not breach ministerial code

 

[TonyT]

The UK is a parliamentary democracy.
We are subjects in title only because the monarchy have zero power.
As for Johnson, he has shown contempt for rules and the truth all his working life so we shouldn’t be surprised that he does so now.
So we do of course have the option to vote against his party at the next general election - which is literally democracy

But there’s more to democracy than just having a vote. Under our FPTP system, it’s possible to predict the winner in a great number of constituencies before a single vote has been cast. Meaning that if you live in one of those constituencies then your vote is pointless if you don’t want to vote for the assured winner. Add that to the party whip system and it’s really not very democratic at all. But us proles still have a vote.

 

[Dutto]

I'm hoping that I might be proven wrong, and there is some moral backbone in the Tory party somewhere: Partygate: Boris Johnson urged to explain why fine did not breach ministerial code

Don’t hold your breath!
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[JockyBrewer]

But there’s more to democracy than just having a vote. Under our FPTP system, it’s possible to predict the winner in a great number of constituencies before a single vote has been cast. Meaning that if you live in one of those constituencies then your vote is pointless if you don’t want to vote for the assured winner. Add that to the party whip system and it’s really not very democratic at all. But us proles still have a vote.

FPTP isn't really suitable for modern society when information travels at the speed of light.

Personally I'd like to see a move to proportional representation on a national or at least regional basis.

But then I'd also reduce down to 200 or fewer MPs and reset the Lords with new rules around how they're appointed.

 

[Dutto]

….

Personally I'd like to see a move to proportional representation on a national or at least regional basis.
……

After WW2 the UK was amongst the Allies that insisted Germany was governed by a body elected using proportional representation!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_system_of_Germany
Enjoy!
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