I had a stuck wherry AND a stuck John bull ipa. ...Wonder what the connection there is? Both shifted by either...stirring, adding yeast or sugar and increasing temp.
Stuck Fermentation
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johnnyboy1965
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Aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
Ahhhhhhhhh! Indeed!
Incidentally I used some of the advice supplied by Dutto to get them going again....
Incidentally I used some of the advice supplied by Dutto to get them going again....
So how has Wherry got this reputation for sticking? If it does in fact have a greater incidence of occurence, something ain't right with it. I've only made it once and it didn't stick... it was just horrid.
I have brewed it twice (donââ¬â¢t know why) second one stuck,I contacted the rep and he sent me new yeast and a packet of nutrient , I asked him if he had a lot of complaints and he said never???
Anyway,it worked but there a lot better kits out there for the same money imo
Dutto
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There are a lot of lying bustards out there eh? :thumb:
Here in Skegness the refrain is "You should have been here last week!" ... :thumb: :thumb:
... this is said in response to any complaint about the weather which (as they weren't here "last week") was always perfect! :lol: :lol:
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I had it at the brewery once and it was great.
johnnyboy1965
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So this discussion does not answer the question....."why do so many WW stick ?"
Its a massed produced kit, made at Muntons.
The yeast supplied, might not be the best, but its a generic yeast, as supplied in all Woodfordes kits. No major reports of any other Woodfordes kits sticking.
It would be interesting to see local water profile, to see if this effects the "sticking" results.
Its a massed produced kit, made at Muntons.
The yeast supplied, might not be the best, but its a generic yeast, as supplied in all Woodfordes kits. No major reports of any other Woodfordes kits sticking.
It would be interesting to see local water profile, to see if this effects the "sticking" results.
Sadfield
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It's the go to kit for beginner/novice with basic technique and setup?
Dutto
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I would suggest that it is the "go-to" kit for anyone who wants a decent beer ... :thumb:
... be they beginner, novice or anywhere else on the brewing spectrum! :thumb:
Why it occasionally "sticks" I do not know; but it definitely does!
I believe that the last one I brewed (January 2017) was "stuck" when I transferred it into the Wilco Keg. I had to "hurry up" the brew because I was taking it to France and in France it provided me with the ONLY 40 pint keg that didn't require the use of a CO2 capsule before it was empty!
Enjoy! :thumb:
I really can't understand what all the fuss is about. It's really very simple.
For those who have actually done a Wherry (like me) they know that there is only 6g of yeast supplied with the kit. That's barely enough, so it might stick or it might not.
And Muntons also supply other kits with 6g of yeast, and some of them stick too, presumably for the same reason.
Muntons are aware of this, as others have reported on this forum, but won't acknowledge there's a problem, and continue to knock out their kits with 6g of yeast.
So the advice to homebrewers on this forum, is, if you want to avoid the likelihood of a stuck fermentation on a Wherry or other Muntons kits with 6g yeast, change the yeast.
And if you are are a regular Wherry brewer (personally I don't like it) then save the yeast from one kit having replaced it and you can then double up the packets for the next one and then there is then enough yeast to ferment things out as intended without fear of sticking.
As I said, its really very simple.
For those who have actually done a Wherry (like me) they know that there is only 6g of yeast supplied with the kit. That's barely enough, so it might stick or it might not.
And Muntons also supply other kits with 6g of yeast, and some of them stick too, presumably for the same reason.
Muntons are aware of this, as others have reported on this forum, but won't acknowledge there's a problem, and continue to knock out their kits with 6g of yeast.
So the advice to homebrewers on this forum, is, if you want to avoid the likelihood of a stuck fermentation on a Wherry or other Muntons kits with 6g yeast, change the yeast.
And if you are are a regular Wherry brewer (personally I don't like it) then save the yeast from one kit having replaced it and you can then double up the packets for the next one and then there is then enough yeast to ferment things out as intended without fear of sticking.
As I said, its really very simple.
@terrym. It's only simple if you're not a beginner and happen to frequent forums like this. What's the hapless first-timer supposed to do when it brings down the curtain early?
6g of dry yeast sprinkled directly onto the wort and not re-hydrated is going to be a problem child. Marketing wants brewing to be 'easy peasy' whilst finance department says 6g should do the job. put the 2 together with a customer who is new to this HB lark and i'm not surprised stuff sticks. In an ideal world 6g will do the job but there's a lot of ifs and buts inbetween. for a beginner you need to load the dice in their favour and 6g doesn't do it.
My brewferm abdij was a bit tardy 1.017 after 3 week and guess what? - just enough yeast to get the job done (for a newbie)
now I can get 12%+ with a single 10g pack of yeast. But that's 2 years down the line.
don't give up is the answer. learn and the rewards are erm... :drunk: self evident.
My brewferm abdij was a bit tardy 1.017 after 3 week and guess what? - just enough yeast to get the job done (for a newbie)
now I can get 12%+ with a single 10g pack of yeast. But that's 2 years down the line.
don't give up is the answer. learn and the rewards are erm... :drunk: self evident.
What I said was really directed at this lengthy thread
That aside you are absolutely right as far as non-forum users are concerned :thumb:.
And the consequences of that are determined by Muntons, not us, and it seems that they have decided on their continuing position, i.e. do nowt
Has anyone here contacted them and explained their WW kit gets a regular slating in places like this, from what i have read the end result is good so why spoil the reputation of the kit by being tight with the amount of yeast supplied.
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I emailed them and fair enough someone replied and said not to believe everything you read on the Internet. ....I said like, yeah but it IS stuck I'm not just reading about it.....they said the yeast was enough...I take that as a "go away we're not discussing the matter with someone who doesn't know what they're on about and only wants to get pissed up on cheap beer anyway...." which,if you're nit picking,is entirely true! BUT...it's not a great reply and doesn't encourage future purchases of their products. ....
muntons never replied to my concern about the regular splitting of their bags of dme when received in the post. They should redesign their bags in my view.
I think two of the reasons Wherry is so popular is that it is one of the cheaper premium kits, and often discounted, plus Wilko stock it and so its widely available, which is often an issue if you don't brew very much, or don't have a LHBS nearby, or don't want to have to buy online and have to pay postage or commit to a large purchase to avoid post costs. And as a premium kit new homebrewers don't have to fiddle about adding any extras.
Whether it is universally acclaimed is another issue. Personally it's not for me and others have recently said the same, although I know a lot on this forum think it produces a good pint, even one or two of you AG lot. :whistle:
AdeDunn
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Seems to me a simple case of in every packet of yeast you will have a percentage of non-viable yeast cells. The smaller the packet, the smaller the number of yeast cells in the first place, the bigger the impact the non-viable cells will have. So some people get lucky, they get a packet of nice healthy cells, other folks don't and end up with not enough to start with and a stuck fermentation. If Muntons aren't wanting to sort it out, well buyers choice really, there are plenty of other kits on the market to chose from. :whistle: It shouldn't really be up to the customer to have to go buying more yeast after already buying a supposedly premium kit, if you are going to do that you may as well just buy a cheaper kit and tweak it.
The last kit I brewed was a Youngs AIPA kit. It came with a nice big packet of yeast, a nice big packet of dry hops, and produced a delicious beer, earning the premium price tag. The Headcracker and Wherry kits were just 2 single can kits in 1 pack, with a single can kit packet of yeast supplied... Folks shouldn't be having to tweak supposedly premium kits to get a decent beer.
The last kit I brewed was a Youngs AIPA kit. It came with a nice big packet of yeast, a nice big packet of dry hops, and produced a delicious beer, earning the premium price tag. The Headcracker and Wherry kits were just 2 single can kits in 1 pack, with a single can kit packet of yeast supplied... Folks shouldn't be having to tweak supposedly premium kits to get a decent beer.
Everyone stop buying Wherry! When the penny drops, it'll be reintroduced with great fanfare, 'new and improved' slogans all over the box etc, but the only damn thing that will have changed is the amount of yeast provided.
