SPENT GRAIN...BIRDS DONT LIKE IT ?

[foxy]

If you are using the grains as compost be sure to put some carbonaceous material with them, they are very high in nitrogen.

 

[JebKerman]

I give mine to a local crofter to feed his cattle with.
I get sausages in return, so it's a sweet deal

 

[crowcrow]

Already been said but chickens, ducks and geeese love the spent grains. My folks 'ration' out the spare grains over a week or two and they are pretty stinky (vinegar smell) by the end but the chickens love them all the more. I consider it probiotic

My mother tried baking with it when it was fresh, but turned out rock hard but she just made up her own recipe. Need to try again some time - sure would be great in a hearty bread.

 

[An Ankoù]

My mother tried baking with it when it was fresh, but turned out rock hard but she just made up her own recipe. Need to try again some time - sure would be great in a hearty bread.

I don't think you can make anything worth eating from just spent grains. I drain a colander-full overnight and then add 400g of the damp (it would be less if it were dry) grain to 1Kg of bread flour (type 55 over here) with the other bread-making ingredients to make 3 loaves. The spent grains are a bit like bran in that they lighten the bread rather than make it heavier.
I've stopped using grain where I've used a high proportion of crystal and dark malts as these husks tend to be harder and get stuck in your teeth.

 

[Grealish]

I don't think you can make anything worth eating from just spent grains. I drain a colander-full overnight and then add 400g of the damp (it would be less if it were dry) grain to 1Kg of bread flour (type 55 over here) with the other bread-making ingredients to make 3 loaves. The spent grains are a bit like bran in that they lighten the bread rather than make it heavier.
I've stopped using grain where I've used a high proportion of crystal and dark malts as these husks tend to be harder and get stuck in your teeth.

That’s roughly what I do. I also did some using Weihenstephaner yeast which was genuinely the best bread I’ve ever made.

 

[An Ankoù]

That’s roughly what I do. I also did some using Weihenstephaner yeast which was genuinely the best bread I’ve ever made.

Sounds interesting. Never tried using beer yeast, but I'm going to! How long does the bread take to carbonate and condition?

 

[mathorp]

Fishermen may like to grow maggots. I discovered this by accident after leaving a bucket of spent grain outside with the lid off. The flies laid eggs and nature took its course. The resulting heaving mass of maggots was not a pretty sight - but I am not a fisherman. Usually I add to the compost heap or mulch the lawn.

 

[DavidDetroit]

+1 on composting. My brother tried making bread, albeit without all the knowledge of those here, shook his head when I asked how the bread turned out.

 

[mathorp]

Distillers call their spent grain draff and it is used to feed livestock. I assume that commercial brewers do the same unless they have an awful lot of chooks.

Years ago I was following a draff lorry with a loose tailgate spreading a thin layer of it on the road. End result, I went into a spin and wrote off my first car. An Austin Allegro, to give you an idea of how many years ago!

I suppose there is a moral there somewhere, but I can’t see it.

 

[dad_of_jon]

Distillers call their spent grain draff and it is used to feed livestock. I assume that commercial brewers do the same unless they have an awful lot of chooks.

Years ago I was following a draff lorry with a loose tailgate spreading a thin layer of it on the road. End result, I went into a spin and wrote off my first car. An Austin Allegro, to give you an idea of how many years ago!

I suppose there is a moral there somewhere, but I can’t see it.

don't buy an austin allegro? - I must admit the equipe - silver with a stripe stirred something in me

 

[MrRook]

Sounds interesting. Never tried using beer yeast, but I'm going to! How long does the bread take to carbonate and condition?

I read a quote from Dr. White of White labs saying you can use beer yeast to make bread, but it will take longer to rise.
I have no idea how much longer.

 

[Grealish]

Sounds interesting. Never tried using beer yeast, but I'm going to! How long does the bread take to carbonate and condition?

I made a sourdough style starter (ie flour and water) fed it a big dollop of Weihenstephaner and left it overnight. The next day I made a dough using more water and flour plus some salt, put a handful of spent grains from an 1845 clone into the dough and it was very good if I say so myself. All quantities are ‘some’ until it feels about right.

 

[foxy]

Already been said but chickens, ducks and geeese love the spent grains. My folks 'ration' out the spare grains over a week or two and they are pretty stinky (vinegar smell) by the end but the chickens love them all the more. I consider it probiotic

My mother tried baking with it when it was fresh, but turned out rock hard but she just made up her own recipe. Need to try again some time - sure would be great in a hearty bread.

Chickens can get botulism from spoiled food, interestingly though vultures don't, they are host to a bacteria which multiplies so quickly that no other bacteria stands a chance, they also have a strong stomach acid. And when a vulture urinates it does it over its feet to give them a good acid wash, which washes of any nasties, it may have picked up while trampling over rotting carcasses. (just a bit of useless information to file away)

 

[Brew_DD2]

Chickens can get botulism from spoiled food, interestingly though vultures don't, they are host to a bacteria which multiplies so quickly that no other bacteria stands a chance, they also have a strong stomach acid. And when a vulture urinates it does it over its feet to give them a good acid wash, which washes of any nasties, it may have picked up while trampling over rotting carcasses. (just a bit of useless information to file away)

I love posts like this. Nature is fantastic.

 

[kelper]

The clue is in the word 'spent'!

 

[matt76]

I've used this recipe by @fury_tea to make bread a number of times, adapted slightly for my bread maker - the results are superb, to the point that my 8yo generally scoffs more of it than I do and is currently nagging me to make some more!

I have tried using beer yeast to make bread but always found it less than satisfactory - although bread and ale yeast are the same species of yeast, my understanding is bread yeast strains are selected to be more gassy to make the bread rise properly, while beer yeast is selected for alcohol production and flavour.

(I've a feeling there's also something in there about aerobic and anaerobic behaviour of yeast???)

 

[foxy]

(I've a feeling there's also something in there about aerobic and anaerobic behaviour of yeast???)

Yeast was around before the world got oxygen, every living thing needs sugar to survive, no oxygen means no plants, no plants means no sugar, something to puzzle over.

 

[matt76]

Yeast was around before the world got oxygen, every living thing needs sugar to survive, no oxygen means no plants, no plants means no sugar, something to puzzle over.

Was it?

Do you have a source for that statement? I'm not doubting you but I've read quite a bit about life and how it got started (including before oxygen) and I don't think yeast has ever come up specifically as having evolved before oxygen levels rose.

 

[foxy]

https://io9.gizmodo.com/yeast-kept-life-on-earth-alive-before-the-rise-of-oxyge-5829259?IR=T

 

[RobinB]

On the compost