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Doglaner

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Hello,

On Friday last week (4th November) I made a SMaSH using extra pale malt and Amarillo hops. I was very excited about the hops as they were this years harvest and hence nice and fresh. I posted mid-brew as I was so excited!

The brew went as planned, and I got to the end in good time. I followed my usual sterilising and cleaning regime which has worked with the last few brews with no problems, and with exactly the same gear.

The only problem I encountered was that I didn't have any yeast apart from a sachet that had been opened previously, a couple of months ago, and which was half full. It was Safale S-04 Dried Yeast, and I sprinkled it on top, as I always do, and mixed it in well. When I started brewing I'd seen the packet, however I assumed it was an unopened one. It was too late by the time I realised, so I had to go with it.

The problem I now have is that there is an awfully rotten sulphurous smell coming from the FV, which is in a brew fridge in the garage at a pretty steady 19c. The smell is managing to percolate its way into the garage and is pretty strong. The krausen took a while to form, too, about three days, and when it did it was not the usual lumpy thing, but an even coloured creamy foam, which is barely half a cm deep, and seems to be a bit reluctant to touch the sides of the FV as it fades towards the edges.

I now think this batch is infected, and will need to go down the drain, however I would appreciate some thoughts from forum members before I do this.

I'm disappointed, as I spent extra on the fresh hops, however it was only a matter of time, I suppose. Any comments would help me avoid the same situation again.

My thoughts as to the reason are :

1) I'm imagining things and there is no problem. (Unlikely, I fear).
2) The beer yeast had died and/or got infected, and the infection took hold first.
3) There was an infection from elsewhere as I am prone to having a look and a sniff when the fermentation is getting going.
4) I didn't sterilise properly, although I've not had this before.

Thanks for your comments, and I will bin it tomorrow evening unless I get some really positive reactions here.

Dog.
 
Don't bin it yet, it could just be the yeast struggling/stressed giving the smell, especially if the krausen is not to the sides, have you tasted it?
 
Nope, I'd wait and see.
That doesn't sound like an infection to me. Yeast might be compromised, though, but I'd give it its chance.
 
Initial good news then. Thanks folks. I haven't tasted it, and looking at it again quickly, albeit in very low light, it does,appear to be nice and cloudy like it usually is when fermenting. I'll have a proper look tomorrow with a torch to see if it is agitating as per normal, too.

More thoughts welcome, and I'll post back tomorrow once I've had another look.
 
Don't ditch it! I've had nasty sulphur smells which dissipate and leave great beer. Perhaps the yeast is stressed, but S-04 is a characterful and metabolically diverse yeast. I would be more worried if that smell came from a cleaner yeast like Nottingham or US-05. Similarly, I've had good beer after an underwhelming krausen. You can't rule out infection, but it doesn't scream infection. Sure, it is underpitched, but 19C is a healthy temperature and Amarillo is a powerful hop which can mask minor deficiencies. I would definitely persevere with this one.
 
Just to add, when using packets of yeast, you should keep the packet as well as the scissors you'll use to cut it in sanitizer while you're brewing. The blade of the scissors and the yeast pack have lots of nasties on them.
 
It still smells rank. I'm going to try to forget about it now until next Friday, which will be 2 weeks. I have to say, though, the smell doesn't half linger. I could still catch it in the office today an hour after leaving it behind. Quite put me off my work!
 
If you read the packet and/or the Safale website it says to never reuse a half used packet. And also don't store it as you should use any packet within 3 days of opening.

I think you might have a duff batch now. I am sorry for your loss.


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I think you might have a duff batch now. I am sorry for your loss.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

It's sad losing a brew, but it's not as if his dog has just got run over ...

... and the vet might resuscitate it anyway, so there's still hope! :thumb:

:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
:lol: :lol: :lol:

It's sad losing a brew, but it's not as if his dog has just got run over ...

... and the vet might resuscitate it anyway, so there's still hope! :thumb:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

That's true. But it still can feel like a bereavement
 
Shame you didn't post a thread on the day of Ur brew. Someone close by could have slipped you a sachet. And in the process made a friend. Maybe swapped numbers.. Sorry this has gone bit too far but I'm sure someone could have helped you out.
Make another brew if you can itl make you feel better
 
If you read the packet and/or the Safale website it says to never reuse a half used packet. And also don't store it as you should use any packet within 3 days of opening.

I think you might have a duff batch now. I am sorry for your loss.


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iv got a 100g pack of champange yeast that i opened the other day to make some turbo cider with - i folded it over on itself a few times and then taped it ( not all over) to stop it unfolding and left it in the fridge, should i be doing more ?
 
iv got a 100g pack of champange yeast that i opened the other day to make some turbo cider with - i folded it over on itself a few times and then taped it ( not all over) to stop it unfolding and left it in the fridge, should i be doing more ?

That works for me with Wilco Wine Yeast. A single packet will make up to three one litre batches of Bourru so all I do is shake a bit into the bottle, close the packet with a small bag clip and stick it in the fridge.

The last packet wasn't even put in the fridge. It got knocked open, spilled some out into the bowl it was sharing with some fruit and the stuff left in the packet still worked on a litre of grape juice. :thumb:

On the other hand, I would NEVER use a previously opened packet on a 23 litre brew of beer, cider or wine as there is too much at stake! :nono: :nono:
 
That works for me with Wilco Wine Yeast. A single packet will make up to three one litre batches of Bourru so all I do is shake a bit into the bottle, close the packet with a small bag clip and stick it in the fridge.

The last packet wasn't even put in the fridge. It got knocked open, spilled some out into the bowl it was sharing with some fruit and the stuff left in the packet still worked on a litre of grape juice. :thumb:

On the other hand, I would NEVER use a previously opened packet on a 23 litre brew of beer, cider or wine as there is too much at stake! :nono: :nono:

i plan to keep re-using this till its gone tho - looks like i better get those demijohs scrubbed up and bubbling away
 
If you read the packet and/or the Safale website it says to never reuse a half used packet. And also don't store it as you should use any packet within 3 days of opening.

I think you might have a duff batch now. I am sorry for your loss.


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All i can say is that i have kept 1/2 packs of S-05 re sealed in the fridge for a month and they have been ok!!!
so far at least.
Have only re used them in small batch brews.
 
Quick update. Brewday +8.

Thought I'd take a gravity reading. It started off at 1054, and it has dropped to 1050.

This, I can say with some confidence, is not going well.

I'm about to taste it. All my better instincts are shouting NOOOOOOOOO! But hey, it's from mistakes that science progresses, so here goes.....

Jesus!

It's still got a small krausen on, and I can taste the hops. It is sweet, obviously, and has a sour, lemon-drop sort of hint. And it still smells pretty pooey.

Any thoughts? I am not going to be brewing until after 28th. Shall I stick with it, or maybe bung some more yeast in? I suppose a couple of quid on yeast won't hurt.

Or shall I just bin it and use the time to sterilise and clean everything down?

Oh, what a quandary.

But a great learning experience. Luckily I've got a fair bit of beer hanging around from previous brews!!

Dog.
 
Personally I'd chuck in another sachet of yeast and cross my fingers.

Ditto!

IF it's already buggered then you can't make it any worse so I suggest you also add a teaspoonful of yeast nutrient and give it a massive stir while your in there.

It's definitely "kill or cure" time for this batch so go for it ... :thumb: :thumb:

... and then leave it alone for three days at least! :lol: :lol:
 
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