Sediment in bottle AGAIN!

[love6060]

Well second batch of wine 6 bottles, I am using a wilkos demijohn and it seems it is a squeeze to get 6 bottles out of it.

Last time I only managed 5 bottles and 4 of those had sediment in them.

This time I got 6 bottles and only 1 with sediment in it.

Difference this time is I racked my wine added the rest of the kit, degassed, then allowed to clear before I started bottle. Was not expecting any sediment however there was some so there you go.

When I got to the last bit I found it difficult to keep my syphon with sediment trap steady and it kicked it all up, the other end of the syphon has a tap so I can't drop the syphon into the bottle.

Think I need to ditch the tap put that click stop thing on what do you think?

 

[chrig]

Since I started racking kits in to a clean demijohm and leaving it to clear and mature a bit before racking again in order to bottle I havn't had any noticable sediment in my wines. With the old bottles left which do I usually decant them in to something else to serve....there is a correct term for such a vessle but its Friday night

 

[honeymonster]

I use one of these...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fermentat...pt=UK_Home_Garden_Food_SM&hash=item2a1c21ba2e

Helps stop the siphon end moving around and stirring up the sediment.

 

[love6060]

Since I started racking kits in to a clean demijohm and leaving it to clear and mature a bit before racking again in order to bottle I havn't had any noticable sediment in my wines. With the old bottles left which do I usually decant them in to something else to serve....there is a correct term for such a vessle but its Friday night

I think it's called a decanter?!

 

[love6060]

I use one of these...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fermentat...pt=UK_Home_Garden_Food_SM&hash=item2a1c21ba2e

Helps stop the siphon end moving around and stirring up the sediment.

That is just what I need thanks buddy!

 

[love6060]

Since I started racking kits in to a clean demijohm and leaving it to clear and mature a bit before racking again in order to bottle I havn't had any noticable sediment in my wines. With the old bottles left which do I usually decant them in to something else to serve....there is a correct term for such a vessle but its Friday night

So you rack it off twice before bottling, will have to try that next also.

 

[oldbloke]

http://oldbloke.livejournal.com/770365.html means you can leave the top end alone and concentrate on the bottom.
There used to be commercial versions.
I do also use a bung with a slot cut into it to stop the top end moving about - get the sediment trap in the right place, drive the bung home, fixing the top end in place. Then start the siphon.

Those Wilko demis must be smaller than most - all mine are at least 4.75 litres, some more

 

[honeymonster]

I use one of these...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fermentat...pt=UK_Home_Garden_Food_SM&hash=item2a1c21ba2e

Helps stop the siphon end moving around and stirring up the sediment.

That is just what I need thanks buddy!

No problemo :

 

[LeithR]

I use one of these...

I think £5.95 is a bit steep for P&P on top of the £1.95 total £7.90, makes a simple clip pretty expensive.

 

[honeymonster]

I use one of these...

I think £5.95 is a bit steep for P&P on top of the £1.95 total £7.90, makes a simple clip pretty expensive.

It would be. I got mine from my LHBS. I was looking at eBay when I was writing that and it was just the first picture that was clear! And that listing is £1.89 postage. It's a maximum of £5.95 postage when you buy multiple items from the same seller.

 

[chrig]

Since I started racking kits in to a clean demijohm and leaving it to clear and mature a bit before racking again in order to bottle I havn't had any noticable sediment in my wines. With the old bottles left which do I usually decant them in to something else to serve....there is a correct term for such a vessle but its Friday night

I think it's called a decanter?!

A carafe I think is what I have.

But yes I rack mine a few times, and cool it in the fridge to get as much sediment to drop as possible

 

[love6060]

http://oldbloke.livejournal.com/770365.html means you can leave the top end alone and concentrate on the bottom.
There used to be commercial versions.
I do also use a bung with a slot cut into it to stop the top end moving about - get the sediment trap in the right place, drive the bung home, fixing the top end in place. Then start the siphon.

Those Wilko demis must be smaller than most - all mine are at least 4.75 litres, some more

Very clever! And another project to keep me happy and the wife miserable lol.

 

[Forkbeard]

I tend to ferment initially in a dama type demijohn as they seem to hold more volume than the standard ones do. That means I can rack it off the initial sediment, and then again after finings.

If you rack it again once the stuff at the bottom has firmed up post-fining then you should have a lot less likelihood of sediment appearing in the bottles.

 

[love6060]

I tend to ferment initially in a dama type demijohn as they seem to hold more volume than the standard ones do. That means I can rack it off the initial sediment, and then again after finings.

If you rack it again once the stuff at the bottom has firmed up post-fining then you should have a lot less likelihood of sediment appearing in the bottles.

Do you, do your third rack off post-fining and then go straight into bottles or do you let it rest before you bottle?

 

[Forkbeard]

One rack into a DJ after initial fermentation. A second rack into another after fining. Then I bottle it from there.

It's well worth leaving the second racking for a week, two if you can after adding finings. I find what's left at the bottom solidifies a little and becomes much less likely to stir up. You can basically pour it into bottles with a funnel after the second one if you like.

 

[oldbloke]

I rack as little as possible. Can't remember the last time something got 3 rackings.
Most stuff now gets racked once, onto stabiliser, when the ferment is done. Anything that drops out after that is little enough not to get sucked through when bottling.
A few fruit-based ones that generate a lot of pulp need 2 rackings.
Generally, leaving it alone for a couple of extra weeks lets all the crap settle properly and compact better so it doesn't lift and get sucked through so easily. I can afford the extra time as all 3 of my wineracks are 90% full already...

 

[billybacardi]

does nobody filter their wine now? I do anyway...... one rack and then filter. never had sediment in bottles.

:

 

[love6060]

I think my problem is, that my DJ only just squeezes out 6 bottles and when filling the last, bottle my racking cane with sentiment trap kicked up all the sediment and sucked it all up.


So I guess I just need a way of stopping this from happening, if it means leaving the wine in a DJ for 2 weeks at the clearing stage then that is awesome I can wait.

I will also lift the bottle closer to the DJ so I am not pulling on the syphon hose much.

The wedge DJ hold that was posted earlier I will be having a look at building along with the clip, when I get to the LHBS.

Guys thanks so far for your help, will be contemplating a filter soon, but it is another expense I cannot afford just yet DON'T ASK!

I think if I can find a 5ltr DJ to use for clearing wine I would have enough space to fill 6 bottles and kick up sediment and if I am even more carful perhaps poor/syphon 2 glasses of wine off at the end lol