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Just ordered it at least with being digital I'll always have on my tablet, unlike my Dave line brew beers like those you buy I seem to have misplaced it and can't find it
 
Quick question the recipes usually only show the alpha for the first hop listed and not the rest so is it assuming all hops are same alpha rating
 
yeah the Schiehallion was superb, I don't have a fermenting fridge so just used safale 05 and fermented at ale temp. will probably make it again soon.
 
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Quick question the recipes usually only show the alpha for the first hop listed and not the rest so is it assuming all hops are same alpha rating


I've never understood why he has done that.

No, all hops will have a different AA value, even different crop of the same hop will have a different value.
Hops bought from a reputable supplier will have their AA value printed on the package for you. The differences may only be small but they are important, especially if you use any brewing software where the values need to be entered.

My favorite brew is from the Orkney Brewery....Dark Island, a superb dark malty ale, which I think would stand just being a little stronger than published...not much mind.
 
Quick question the recipes usually only show the alpha for the first hop listed and not the rest so is it assuming all hops are same alpha rating
Only the full boil bittering hops have listed AA values. I guess it was felt that the aroma hops or last15 min hops contributed little in the way of AA's, and to be honest, with all variables taken into consideration, age, storage etc there's probably no way of knowing what exactly they are contributing, though brewing software will let you know if it's important to you :cool:
 
I got the pdf version of the book and it looks really good apart from on thing, the book states that "the yeast strain used can be the most influential ingredient you put into your beer". Yet most of the recipes do not seem to recommend the strain of yeast to use.

The quote was actually a quote from a head brewer, I used it to highlight - in part - that yeast like everything else affects the flavour, which in turn would highlight it would be impossible to get a direct copy of the beer as you don't have the most influential ingredient...the actual yeast used to make the commercial brew, a disclaimer if you like.

When all the recipes were brewed they, if memory serves me correctly, were made using Gervin English Ale yeast. I used that as initially when putting the recipes together Brupaks were not around selling liquid yeasts and I wanted something that was easily obtainable in the majority of homebrew shops. Another reason was I tried Edme and others and just didn't get on with them too great. Gervin was giving good results consistantly and gave a strain on the front versus is it brewers yeast in the packet or relabelled bakers yeast sort of scenario.

Then of course came Brupaks - many a brew was also made with these - Flowers was brilliant made with the London strain :cheers: - but I couldn't go through and retest / make very beer with every strain to find the best one - mind you we did have a fair go, ah the hangovers that were had in the name of research :lol:

There was also the cost to take into account...Wyeast whilst good was also (in comparison) bloody expensive....imagine opening a book as a novice and being told for this recipe you need this yeast which is £X instead of Xpence - it was tough enough back then trying to convince people a 3kg kit was worth the money let alone trying to convince someone to spend a few quid on a yeast when a sachet was wround 40p :D As people progressed they could then try different yeasts and spend more as their confidence / need grew.

I would say still always buy the best yeast you can. If your local homebrew shop is good they will at least have a few to chose from and give you a heads up, failing that you have this great forum to get recommendations from others on which yeast to use for which recipe. Which again I suppose is what I aiming for by using the quote...don't spend all the money on quality grains and all the effort in the process to then simply chuck the lowest price yeast in which could have a large impact on taste sort of thing. Up until the day I closed I was regualrly asked for bakers yeast as Fred told me to use it as it brewed his beer really fast. Usually turned out Fred was a sugar fiend (mustn't forget more sugar is better cos it'll take your head off :doh: ) and after a rapid beer rather than a good ale to drink.

Vossey was spot on with regard the AA on hops. Between 1992 and 1997 it was almost impossible to get hold of the AA % let alone definitive info on how they contributed to the final overall bitterness. It should be remembered the 90's (and before that) was like a desert with regard accurate data - the internet changed that and brought a huge wealth of info rapidly to everyone. :thumb: :cheers:

Cheers guys, take care and keep brewing
All the best
Marc
 
Thank you for the input Marc....

:thumb: :thumb: for the recipes I have tried from the book. Many more to look forward too.

Dark island...hmmmmmm :party:
 
Muddydisco said:
Another book I was told to get when starting out.
A breif decription of processes and ingredients but mainly this is a recipe book with around 130 something recipes
You'll not learn much from it but the recipes are great and with a wide variety, and no sugar in sight :thumb:

No sugar? Have you really read this book? Take a look at the recipes on pages 28,29,30,31,32,33,37,38,39,42 just to name a few.
 
goodolpete said:
Went to the link on page 1.
Got message that pdf downloads stopped as this is coming out in paper format for 8 quid.
Pete


Same here :(
 
Well I guess you will have to buy the book, just the same as buying GW's book or any other book for that matter
 
Thanks for clarifying Marc, missed it 1st time round :thumb:

No sugar? Have you really read this book? Take a look at the recipes on pages 28,29,30,31,32,33,37,38,39,42 just to name a few.
Ah well, perhaps an oversight from md, we're all capable of making them. As far as I can tell sugar was and is used in a few of the older recipes as that's what folk are trying to re-create, the actual brewery recipe which did/does contain sugar...do not confuse this with the sugary brews of the 70's which were all about strength and cheapness.

It is true, the book should be going back into print very soon :party: and it's no surprise to me, there are very few broad spectrum English Ale recipe books out there as good as it IMO, I would imagine the US market will love it :pray: , as long as it's made available to them easily.

Marc isn't the sort of person who likes to be seen to post 'for business' so I cleared this post with him beforehand :thumb:
 
Vossy1 said:
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No sugar? Have you really read this book? Take a look at the recipes on pages 28,29,30,31,32,33,37,38,39,42 just to name a few.
Ah well, perhaps an oversight from md, we're all capable of making them. As far as I can tell sugar was and is used in a few of the older recipes as that's what folk are trying to re-create, the actual brewery recipe which did/does contain sugar...do not confuse this with the sugary brews of the 70's which were all about strength and cheapness. :thumb:
Sorry if I was misunderstood. I am not against using sugar where it is appropriate but it seems that a lot of people are and surely most breweries use sugar in some form or another where it adds to the finished product.
 
I love this book :D
I picked up a copy cheap cheap on Amazon IIRC and have made some cracking beers from it.

Re: sugar. As has already been mentioned, it was part and parcel of beer recipes back then and Marc was trying to reproduce that authenticity I expect. A touch of sugar will also help you get a lower final gravity which will add to the dryness of the beer and again is trying to reflect the FG of the beer that is being approximated.
 
Looking forward to this book being in print.

Marc, would you be able to set a subscription list up, so interested people will be notified when it's available?


Brian
 
Greetings :cheers:

There are quite a few recipes in the book with sugar. This wasn't me slipping in sugar it was becuase the brewery data and / or the brewery themselves told me they used X% of sugar in the recipe...so to get the recipe accurate the sugar had to be included.

It was quite an eye opener seeing how many brewers did use sugar, but at least they were were using in relatively small quantities :clap:

I never expected the book to be republished as was quite happy plodding along with the electronic format. Sorry to those who now can't get a copy, but when I had the contract through I had to then stop selling from the web site.

Vossy1 will be the 1st person outside of immediate family to know the exact publish date, and it will be up to him to let you guys know etc. As he points out I am keenly aware I don't brew anymore (time and space are the contraints) and that any post I make can be taken as touting for business. That worries me greatly. So whilst I'd love to keep a list of those wanting a copy it would really go against the grain with myself and would prefer Vossy1 to let you guys know. I know the end result is the same but it just sits better with me if that makes sense. :?

I do dip in to the forum and only occassionally post, mainly to clarify where questions are asked...eg. The issue around alpha's only been shown for bittering, or the yeast quote and the sugar in the recipes.

Hoping you all have a great week and that the weather stays nice to enjoy the fruit of your brews :thumb:

cheers and very best wishes

Marc
 
Marc, that is a very honorable response.
Whilst I can understand you have no wish to be seen touting for sales; I can't be certain but I'm pretty sure that the folks here don't see your input as such. I for one was pleased to see your contribution.
Also pleased that the book will soon be back in print so other brewers have a chance to get their hands on what has been a very useful book for me :D
 
markmark said:
Marc, that is a very honorable response.

It was that!

markmark said:
I'm pretty sure that the folks here don't see your input as such. I for one was pleased to see your contribution.

I concur!

markmark said:
Also pleased that the book will soon be back in print so other brewers have a chance to get their hands on what has been a very useful book for me

Hear hear! I have the electronic one now but if it was in print when I was looking for my first recipe books I would have bought that instead ("reading" books, novels, biog's etc are best on the kindle, recipes and references in print please!).
 
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