punk ipa is it as good is it was?

[Sadfield]

In a vary rare defence of brewdog, supply chain and storage conditions will have a massive influence on quality of a heavily hopped beer like Punk IPA. To the point where some breweries do not ship beers unless there the beer is refrigerated between brewery and glass.

https://www.brewdog.com/lowdown/pre...d-listen-chilled-supply-chain-uk-distribution

The one positive observation in this thread is for the beer served at Brewdog bar, so perhaps they take more care than Whetherspoons when cellaring. Who I suspect will distribute from there own warehouses, rather than have brewdog deliver to individual pubs.

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[Ajhutch]

In a vary rare defense of brewdog, supply chain and storage conditions will have a massive influence on quality of a heavily hopped beer like Punk IPA. To the point where some American breweries do not ship beers unless there the beer is refrigerated between brewery and glass.

https://www.brewdog.com/lowdown/pre...d-listen-chilled-supply-chain-uk-distribution

The one positive observation in this thread is for the beer served at Brewdog bar, so perhaps they take more care than Whetherspoons when cellaring. Who I suspect will distribute from there own warehouses, rather than have brewdog deliver to individual pubs.

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Exactly this. I posted recently about how much tastier a bottle of Punk from a shop in Cumbria was than when I buy it in London.

 

[foxbat]

There's a question begging to be asked here... Has anyone brewed up the DIY Dog recipe and come up with a result that they think is as good as Punk IPA used to be?

 

[svenito]

There's a question begging to be asked here... Has anyone brewed up the DIY Dog recipe and come up with a result that they think is as good as Punk IPA used to be?

I'd love to, but the bank won't loan me the money for the hop schedule :)

 

[Sadfield]

I'd love to, but the bank won't loan me the money for the hop schedule :)

I once bought a Punk IPA grain kit from Maltmiller as at the time it was good value considering the hops in it, but didn't use them to brew Punk.

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[dad_of_jon]

There's a question begging to be asked here... Has anyone brewed up the DIY Dog recipe and come up with a result that they think is as good as Punk IPA used to be?

I did their original recipe and whilst it wasn't as good as I remember the original being it was way better than the last punk ipa I had.

 

[Alside101]

I brewed a 1 gallon batch and did a side by side and the clone was hoppyer and tastyer than the BD bottle

 

[soupdragon]

Just an update in case anyone is bothered?

In brewdog Sheffield right now with a pint of punk and it's definitely not the same as it used to be. Must admit it's a bit better than my last one in spoons but non the less it's a shadow of its former self

Cheers. Tom

 

[soupdragon]

And the dead pony club tastes almost the same but a weaker version with maybe a touch more biscuit flavour.
Disappointed to say the least

Cheers. Tom

 

[dad_of_jon]

I reckon you can get closer to the originals by brewing their recipes unless we've all undergone a lupulin threshold shift

 

[soupdragon]

Last time I used nelson Sauvin hops the brew tasted the same as punk does now.
It's not the end of the world, there's still plenty of tasty beers out there, cask or keg

Cheers . Tom

 

[mgrds]

Commercial brewers aim at consistency (cos customers want to know what they are drinking) . Its always a battle as home brewers know as natural ingredients change every season . If you follow a fixed recipe you won't be consistent as you have to vary the recipe as the ingredients change .
But of course that brings about its own inconsistencies ..

And some home brewers like myself hold that "consistency is the false God of commercial breweries - the skill of a true brewer is to make the most of the ingredients you have . That is is the way to produce excellent brews . Consistency can come at the cost of mediocrity.

And to add to that, of course, the customer's bases taste perception will change over time. Meals that were once nicely seasoned taste too salty to a modern palate.
And as well as socially induced perceptions your own taste receptors change as you age - accenting some flavours and muting others.

So small wonder that we feel the taste of a glass of anything has changed over time

Of course - the phenomenon of the success coming at a cost is common with small breweries, restaurants and artisan bakers or charcutiers etc Upscaling their activities results in them losing what gave them their edge. Luckily there are always newer small craft breweries coming up when the more successful ones transition to larger commercial operations. And long may it be so!

 

[soupdragon]

Indeed

Cheers. Tom

 

[scotruss]

I have found, over the years, that when a new product is introduced to the general public they are made with the best of everything and, after we have become used to the product, the manufacturing company start to use cheaper ingredients until the quality of the product is compromised and therefor so is the taste. I have come to this conclusion, of course the manufacturer put the best into a new product but, bit by bit, they start using cheap and inferior ingredients to increase their £profits£...I have noticed this in products from beer to beans to pies! The latest one was a butcher who has a stall at my local Farmer's Market, when they first opened their stall their chicken pies were spectacular, beautiful pastry and quality breast meat. I started phoning and reserving five pies at a time which I collected at the market, it didn't take long for the quality of the pie to hit rock bottom. The last I only got two pies and they were pretty run-of-the-mill and the chicken in the pie was, frankly, rubbish...gone was the quality pieces of chicken breast, it had been replaced by small pieces of unidentified chicken. I guess this process happens in beer as well...just remember '£profit£ is King' for all types of companies...even brewers of our favourite beer!