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I might be a tightwad but this is basic pub grub £18 for fish and chips is not cheap.

They serve good beer but it's nearly £5 a pint its not a wonder people buy beer in and get a takeaway and it's killing pubs.
Harry Ramsden's are £14 for a Fish, Chips and Mushy Peas takeaway.

I'd be shocked if you can get F&C as a sit down in there for under £20.
I was in Devon last week and a fancy place on the coast wanted £25.

I brew my own beer, but I still very much go out. Our brewery is £5-6 a pint and it gets very busy.
 
I go to a bar/restaurant fairly regularly for lunch with the wife during work as she is a nurse and we don’t always get to go out at weekends. It’s locally owned and they have about 6 establishments (link 47 @samale )
Average lunch is around £14. We went in on the way back from an overnight stay and as it was after 5 we were handed the “evening” menu. This is exactly the same as the lunch menu in every way apart from the prices. Each dish was at least £6 more expensive than at lunch. As we know a few staff members I asked were the portions bigger and they said no.
I left without ordering and went to another place that charges the same no matter what time of day it is.
I don’t get how the same food is substantially dearer just because it’s after 5.
I have to stress it was EXACTLY the same menu as before 5.
The place wasn’t busy at all compared to lunchtimes.
The beer is c**p by the way
 
Another factor is the social aspect of pubs has moved to Facebook, wattsapp etc. Pre-social media/mobile phones you'd have little contact with friends whilst you/they were at college, work etc. Now young adults get a minute by minute update of every thing they do or think.

I miss the days when going to the pub wasn't organised, you just turned up at the same pub at the same time every week. Then organised what you did for the rest of the weekend.
 
I try to eat out at a pub and have a few every couple of weeks, but its becoming harder as funds don't stretch and things like a taxi home have really pushed the costs up as well.

Point in case was away the weekend at caravan park £6.29 for a pint of cider, sorry not happening in this lifetime, was cheaper to go into town eat and drink in the Spoons than stay there.

Even is Scotland with minimum unit pricing the difference between supermarket and pub is night and day, given we all have less disposable income something has to give, hence why i started to make my own!

I am fully aware pubs have overheads and wish I had the answer as things like the commercial energy rates are scary and not even subject to price caps, but sadly the customer can't keep bearing the costs either there simply is less to go around
 
I go to a bar/restaurant fairly regularly for lunch with the wife during work as she is a nurse and we don’t always get to go out at weekends. It’s locally owned and they have about 6 establishments (link 47 @samale )
Average lunch is around £14. We went in on the way back from an overnight stay and as it was after 5 we were handed the “evening” menu. This is exactly the same as the lunch menu in every way apart from the prices. Each dish was at least £6 more expensive than at lunch. As we know a few staff members I asked were the portions bigger and they said no.
I left without ordering and went to another place that charges the same no matter what time of day it is.
I don’t get how the same food is substantially dearer just because it’s after 5.
I have to stress it was EXACTLY the same menu as before 5.
The place wasn’t busy at all compared to lunchtimes.
The beer is c**p by the way
Didn't we have a thread not so long ago about pubs charging more for the beer at busier times- same beer more staff required but takings were well up to less busy times but some still wanted to charge more but did the staff get paid anymore?
 
I go to a bar/restaurant fairly regularly for lunch with the wife during work as she is a nurse and we don’t always get to go out at weekends. It’s locally owned and they have about 6 establishments (link 47 @samale )
Average lunch is around £14. We went in on the way back from an overnight stay and as it was after 5 we were handed the “evening” menu. This is exactly the same as the lunch menu in every way apart from the prices. Each dish was at least £6 more expensive than at lunch. As we know a few staff members I asked were the portions bigger and they said no.
I left without ordering and went to another place that charges the same no matter what time of day it is.
I don’t get how the same food is substantially dearer just because it’s after 5.
I have to stress it was EXACTLY the same menu as before 5.
The place wasn’t busy at all compared to lunchtimes.
The beer is c**p by the way
Hard to get a decent pint, I have to drink stout in most places I got. No craft at all, Italian/Spanish lagers are all the rage
 
Didn't we have a thread not so long ago about pubs charging more for the beer at busier times- same beer more staff required but takings were well up to less busy times but some still wanted to charge more but did the staff get paid anymore?
It looked to me to be less busy than lunchtime and the same amount of staff as daytime but they don’t get extra pay in the evenings just minimum wage. I will still go at lunchtime but never after 5 again.
Main course over £20 for pub grub is unheard of here.
 
Hard to get a decent pint, I have to drink stout in most places I got. No craft at all, Italian/Spanish lagers are all the rage
I'm OK if it's a proper craft lager.
Cruzcampo is not a craft lager. It's brewed by Heineken. See also Beavertown brewery, Birra Morreti and so on.

And you're right, I'll usually drink Guinness.

Considering the popularity of hazy tropical beers like those made by Brewdog, I don't understand why more breweries aren't getting on that bandwagon?
I suppose it's the cost of all those hops.

I was chatting to our chief brewer at the brewery. He was explaining that they have to charge considerably more than £5 a pint simply because of the amount of hops they put in their beers. As well as the escalating fuel duty on higher ABV products.
 
Didn't we have a thread not so long ago about pubs charging more for the beer at busier times- same beer more staff required but takings were well up to less busy times but some still wanted to charge more but did the staff get paid anymore?
A pub I used to frequent a lot had 2 price lists.
1 was for daytime and weeknights. The other was for Friday and Saturday evenings.

In fairness to them, they had good quality bands on too.

I had no issue paying 20p a pint extra to watch a decent band. There was nothing stopping you go in and drink tap water all night and enjoy the band.
 
I'm OK if it's a proper craft lager.
Cruzcampo is not a craft lager. It's brewed by Heineken. See also Beavertown brewery, Birra Morreti and so on.
When I worked in Madrid, (1990) I used to avoid Cruzcampo like the plague. Horrible stuff. I used to get a headache halfway down the first pint. Only marginally better than no beer at all.
 
When I worked in Madrid, (1990) I used to avoid Cruzcampo like the plague. Horrible stuff. I used to get a headache halfway down the first pint. Only marginally better than no beer at all.
I think it's like Joe Miguel (well, he's Joe if you know him as well as I do - can't remember which comedian this was)

It tastes amazing when the sun is shining, the shapely ladies in their bikinis, the fit men in their speedos, the pool is inviting and so on.

But in Birmingham in January, it actually tastes like pee.
 
I think it's like Joe Miguel (well, he's Joe if you know him as well as I do - can't remember which comedian this was)

It tastes amazing when the sun is shining, the shapely ladies in their bikinis, the fit men in their speedos, the pool is inviting and so on.

But in Birmingham in January, it actually tastes like pee.
True enough, but there was a time when the San Miguel was imported. Then it was brewed under license in the UK and, for a time, it was possible to get both and do a side by side. Different configurations of multipacks, as I recall. The difference was striking. I'll bet a pint of SM in Barcelona is still quite drinkable.
 
True enough, but there was a time when the San Miguel was imported. Then it was brewed under license in the UK and, for a time, it was possible to get both and do a side by side. Different configurations of multipacks, as I recall. The difference was striking. I'll bet a pint of SM in Barcelona is still quite drinkable.
Problem was, you could only ever get it in cans over here. It's only in the last 10-15 years it's been available on draft and it's dreadful.
 
LHG in bristol was rammed on Thursday it's always pretty busy. took ages to get a table, queue for bar was immense. so went elsewhere on Friday. really enjoy the beer and pizza but impossible to hear friends speak. we had to whatsapp each other instead... ooh look at those oldies texting on their phones and not bothering to speak to each other! We weren't tying to be trendy , just getting deaf in our old age...
 
There was talk recently of the government helping pubs to stay afloat but it seems to have been put on the back burner.
Well the thing they go on about is as per their manifesto "to protect our pubs we will maintain our Brexit Pubs Guarantee that means the duty on drinks on draught, such as beer and cider, will be less than in supermarkets"

Which sounds really impressive until you realise they trimmed it by 10%, making the duty on a pint 6p less than the supermarket equivalent. That's really going to help pubs.

Well it's competitive industry for sure, but far more margin than beer, though your point on energy costs is valid. Pubs that serve food generally have a better chance of survival.. they make far far more margin on food sales rather than beer sales. Got to be good food of course..
A beer only pub is struggling. Nice food attracts people. Profit on a pint only won't keep a pub open
It varies - both models can work. Food has higher margins but higher fixed costs, so sometimes the food is there to break even so that you sell more beer, and sometimes vice versa. And doing food does commit you to one or more chefs...which doesn't make life any easier! Let's just leave it at that.
The point really is that we've become impoverished over the last decade or so. Prices have risen, wages, by and large have not, tax thresholds have not.
One analysis has it that if growth had continued at the pre-2008 level, the average Brit would be £14k better off. Instead large parts of the country (outside London) are heading for the economic level of Eastern Europe, we're going to be sending plumbers to Poland soon to take advantage of the better wages.

Two things that haven't really been mentioned have been the effect of increasing the minimum wage, which has gone up over 60% more than inflation - can't begrudge staff better wages, but it's a big cost for businesses like pubs.

And the biggest one is the effect of pubcos screwing up pubs, in some cases deliberately so that they can sell them for redevelopment, but often just because they're not local and just don't understand the pub so just try to screw as much money as they can out of it in the short term regardless of the long-term effect.
Lots of pubs closing and yet there are still so many s*** pubs around with bad beer and not so many customers.
To take one example I know, a pub that was the real heart of the town, that was paying extra rent for the privilege of being free of tie, so that they could get all the good stuff in, whilst also having the standards like Carling for the folk who didn't want the fancy stuff. Paid rent all through lockdown, then their lease expired and the new manager from the pubco offered them a tied deal which made no sense economically so they had to walk away despite all the work that had gone into making it a great pub. And so they offered the same tied deal to someone who had other pubs with them - but with a limited tied selection and at tied prices that meant they had to charge over £1/pint more than anywhere else for stuff like Carling. So not surprisingly nobody went and they handed back the pub within a few months. Then another tenant - same story, stupid prices and lasted a few months. Now a third tenant is in there, and presumably they've got a bit less greedy on the tie, but it's just a crying shame as the place will never recover what was there before.

Pubcos are a huge problem, and not enough drinkers (or politicians) understand how or why they are the problem.
 

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