Post Brexit food standards,,,

[MyQul]

It seems to me, An Ankoù, that the whole point is that we did NOT vote for it. The 2016 referendum result has been totally misinterpreted, presumably by those who see their own (career) advantage lying in twisting it into giving them a cause célèbre. The 2016 referendum produced a vote to stay in the EU, not to leave it.

How do you work that out? Leave beat remain 52%:48% Granted the leave vote was only 17.4% as it was only as poor turn out. But those that didn''t bother to vote cant be counted as a vote for remain

 

[An Ankoù]

It seems to me, An Ankoù, that the whole point is that we did NOT vote for it. The 2016 referendum result has been totally misinterpreted, presumably by those who see their own (career) advantage lying in twisting it into giving them a cause célèbre. The 2016 referendum produced a vote to stay in the EU, not to leave it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting we all voted to leave, far from it. But I'm a bit confused by your last sentence.

 

[GerritT]

A fine way of putting things. Though where the Netherlands not 1 of 2 or 3 other countries at the time we voted to leave the EU also considering holding such a referendum of there own?.

And if some countries have gone public about touting a referendum of their own membership in the last few years you can be sure there will be others also considering the same yet currently remain silent, in which case you have to ask why?

Dutch politicians: "we don't like the outcome, so there will be no more referenda."

 

[Dave 666]

The only thing we can all agree on is nobody knows for sure what will happen afterwards, in 1 year, 3, 5 or 10 years time. When we first went for our mortgage a little over a year ago the bank told me there there is no financial or otherwise projection, guess work or otherwise on where the UK will find itself over the next years.

And to add to my previous posts, yes maybe until now it might have been mainly about the leaving arrangements and afterwards it's about the trade agreements etc. Well the EU will not want the rest of Europe or more the EU members to see how easy it should be to leave or make for an easy time doing so as far as leaving and free trade agreements go. And so I feel it will be less about making wise actual business agreements and more about disproportionate business decisions & agreements against what other never been an EU members might get. As let's face it, the EU will do everything they can to put other countries off leaving. And that could come by highly disproportionate trade arrangements aimed more at putting other countries off leaving than anything else.

 

[GerritT]

As let's face it, the EU will do everything they can to put other countries off leaving. And that could come by highly disproportionate trade arrangements aimed more at putting other countries off leaving than anything else.

The 'bad marriage' comparison. And a lot of EU politicians were never voted for directly, just put there in place by their parties, or not even that. When Juncker dies, I'll name a beer after him.

 

[MyQul]

The only thing we can all agree on is nobody knows for sure what will happen afterwards, in 1 year, 3, 5 or 10 years time. When we first went for our mortgage a little over a year ago the bank told me there there is no financial or otherwise projection, guess work or otherwise on where the UK will find itself over the next years.

And to add to my previous posts, yes maybe until now it might have been mainly about the leaving arrangements and afterwards it's about the trade agreements etc. Well the EU will not want the rest of Europe or more the EU members to see how easy it should be to leave or make for an easy time doing so as far as leaving and free trade agreements go. And so I feel it will be less about making wise actual business agreements and more about disproportionate business decisions & agreements against what other never been an EU members might get. As let's face it, the EU will do everything they can to put other countries off leaving. And that could come by highly disproportionate trade arrangements aimed more at putting other countries off leaving than anything else.

The thing is countries are queueing up to join the EU rather than leave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_enlargement_of_the_European_Union). We've been in the EU for 40 odd years so were so deeply intertwined with trade, justice, finance etc, etc . It's not going to be easy. The EU dont need to try to make it hard to leave. As it already will be

 

[MyQul]

The 'bad marriage' comparison. And a lot of EU politicians were never voted for directly, just put there in place by their parties, or not even that. When Juncker dies, I'll name a beer after him.

I take it you're in favour or abolishment of the monarchy and the house of lords?

 

[Rodcx500z]

Sorry, I missed this. Are you saying UK politicians were threatening the EU with some sort of sanctions (tarriffs?). If they were, it's laughable. During the withdrawal agreement negotiations Priti Patel suggested the we starve Ireland into submission. Apart from the rather distateful notion, (given the history of Ireland and England) she was completely unaware that Ireland are a net exporter of food. This is the calibre of politician we have going into bat for us against seasoned EU negotiators who have to stand up to likes of hard nosed American and Chinese negotiators

No MyQul they were saying they would impose sanctions on us

 

[GerritT]

I take it you're in favour or abolishment of the monarchy and the house of lords?

They could be trimmed down a lot, without loss of a lot of functionality.

 

[Rodcx500z]

Here is the said threat, https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-threatens-fines-or-trade-sanctions-if-uk-reneges-on-brexit-deal/

 

[MyQul]

Here is the said threat, https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-threatens-fines-or-trade-sanctions-if-uk-reneges-on-brexit-deal/

Ah, I know what you're talking about now. This is to do with the 'level playing field' . The EU are concerned that because we're on their doorstep we may under cut them on (corporation) tax, state aid for companies and social and environmental protections. If we do diverge and undercut they may impose tariffs to access their markets. They can't impose any sort of sanctions on or anything like that on us. Just make it harder to access their markets if we don't align (follow their rules). Again, as I said, their seeking protecting there trade block from a potential competitor

 

[MyQul]

They could be trimmed down a lot, without loss of a lot of functionality.

I defiantely can get on board with that

 

[MyQul]

@Rodcx500z just to add, another example of a trade block protecting itself (and making threats of tariffs twards us) in the past few days is, the US threatening to put tarriff on our car exports to the US if we tax their technology companies

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ch-giants-but-risks-us-tariffs-on-car-exports

So this kind of thing is par for the course when it comes to trade. It's not just unique to the EU and brexit' It's trading block trying to protect their industry/themselves

I picture it like titans wrestling trying to get a grip on one another to throw their opponent to the mat (or maybe I've got an over active imagination )

 

[Rodj]

How do you work that out? Leave beat remain 52%:48%

Wrong. The vote was Leave 52%, Remain 48%, which means the vote was to remain. It's called democracy. I explained all this in a post several months ago, but the censor didn't like it and removed it.

 

[foxy]

. I doubt these types can tell the difference between a Polish or German accent and a Welsh or Liverpudlian one. I wonder if police leave has been cancelled. Very much doubt it.

That reminds me of the joke about the pole vaulter, chap was standing outside an Olympic stadium holding his vaulting pole. A chap walked up to him and asks, 'Are you a pole vaulter' to which he replied, 'No I'm German, but how did you know my name is Walter.'

 

[samale]

Wrong. The vote was Leave 52%, Remain 48%, which means the vote was to remain. It's called democracy. I explained all this in a post several months ago, but the censor didn't like it and removed it.

I must be missing something here 52% voted leave.

 

[samale]

That was when anything brexit was banned. post it again so I can understand where your coming from

 

[Rodcx500z]

52% leave 48% remain, well then I must have been really dumb at school or I need a new PP9 in my calculator, think I might give up drinking as well

 

[Rodcx500z]

I am giving up on this thread its getting a bit silly

 

[the_quick]

started on food standard, finished on old "Brexit" and reason for i. Maybe this thread run it course?