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I really must.. I've made quite a few beers recently that have been good but they've all had one thing or another that's stopped them being great beers and it pee's me off.
One looks great, clear, head retention but has a tiny twang. Another looks cloudy and dull but tastes spot on. Then I think I did it! poured great looks good, smells lovely, tastes just how I want it and then yep its a little to dry:doh:
I don't like to make the same beer twice but maybe to stop these little miss haps and truly understand whats going on I need to take a few recipes and keep at them just tweaking slightly till I get them spot on??
 
Sounds like a good plan. Although if you have one that tastes just right for you, does it really matter if it's a bit cloudy?


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i can relate unfortunately, i make beer,,, but i dont make great beer, my friend keeps asking to try one,,,but tbh ,, im not proud of them, not sure why... maybe i should go on one of those brewing courses ,,(back to school)
 
i can relate unfortunately, i make beer,,, but i dont make great beer, my friend keeps asking to try one,,,but tbh ,, im not proud of them, not sure why... maybe i should go on one of those brewing courses ,,(back to school)

Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea so as to get some feedback as we can all be critical of ourselves but from some other perspective it may look a little different and maybe point you in the right direction if needed.:thumb:
 
You're worrying too much. :doh:

Given enough time, nature will destroy so many of your taste buds that, without any improvement of your skills, your brews will start to taste "nice" and occasionally even "perfect"! :thumb:

Don't worry about "cloudiness" either. Nature will again come to your rescue in the form of cataracts. :thumb:

Oh, and with regard to smell nature sorts that out for old men as well. :whistle:

Enjoy! :whistle:
 
I find brewing is like squeezing on a balloon, you push it down in one area and it pops out somewhere else! I think you can fix technique issues from one brew to the next, for example I know my handling procedures are bad, I end up with more sludge than necessary in my bottles. So I focus on this every brew, and use different yeasts to learn the impact this has. Re-brewing when something comes out overly dry or sweet is a good idea to dial in mash temperature.
 
Don't be scared to share your brews, it's good to get constructive feedback. Someone might be able to pinpoint a flavour that will make you think " bingo , I know what caused that".

I tend to make new recipes too, but you can still apply what you've learned.

Points to consider when making a new recipe or even trying an existing one;

1. The Grain Bill
This is where your beer gets all of its malt based flavours. So selecting the right malts and in the correct quantities is important. The main points to consider;

What malt flavours in particular, if any, characterise the style that I am trying to make?


What are the common proportions of base malt, speciality malt and adjuncts?


Will chosen speciality malts add unfermentable or harder to ferment sugars? If so how will this alter my final gravity and yeast selection?


Will any of the grains/ adjuncts in the grist contribute to haze? How can I combat this?


2.The Mash

This is where you are getting all of your fermentable's and many qualities of the beer are determined, like mouthfeel, body, flavour, astringency and even appearance etc.

What mash schedule would suit the target style? Am I aiming for a light, medium or full body?

Are any additional rests necessary for under-modified grains or un-malted grain?

Is my mash going to be the appropriate pH? (see water treatment)

3.Hops
We all love hops and whilst just chucking them in at an interval that you saw in another recipe may seem like a good idea, it really is worth considering how they work.

What IBU:OG ratio is common for the style?

Are the hop additions arranged in a way that will produce a style appropriate flavour?

Are the hop flavours appropriate for the style?

You've swapped Saaz for Sterling, but do you wich addition times produce which flavours? Dry hopping with one hop may produce delightful notes, notes which can only be achieved by a late boil addition of a similar hop. You may swap out that dry hop and end up with unsuitable grassy notes.Not all hops are created equal.

4.Yeast Strain
Yeast is so often overlooked as a primary contributor to flavour. If your water is the canvas, the malt and hops are your paint, then yeast is the artist that brings it all together.

Is the yeast strain suitable fro the target style?

Does the yeast emphasise or mute hop or malt flavours?

What is the attenuation range of the strain and how will this work with my prospective final gravity and grain bill?

What flavour profile does it produce? Estery,Phenolic,Clean,Balanced?

What are its operating temperatures? Can I maintain them?

Is it flocculant or is it going to take an age to settle out?

5.Fermentation Temperature
You've chosen your strain and your good to go? Not quite.

Do you know what temperatures produce which flavours with this particualr strain?

Typical ale yeasts tend to get fruity as they get warmer. Belgian strains range from clove like flavours on the cooler side, to banana as they get warmer( as well as other fruits).Which is appropriate for your chosen style?

6. Yeast Pitching Rate
Yep, its all about the yeast right now. This adds another degree of control over flavours.So if you have a particulary fruity strain, but want to rain in the fruityness a little try pitching 1.5 times your normal amount. Coupling this with fermentation temperature control gives you access to a much bigger set of flavours.Tactically underpitching (by a little) will give you more ester production.

Always research how your chosen strain responds to these variables and try to work within the limits of the yeast.



7.Fermentation Timescale
Different styles and original gravities should be aged accordingly. In general lower OG beer matures faster and needs less primary time and less conditioning. Lagers are another story all together. Know when your beer is at its best.

Is the style best enjoyed young or well aged?

Do I have a lot of hop flavour and aroma, or other delicate flavours that will fade with age?

Maturing/conditioning times vary based on volumes, larger volumes mature more quickly. Which is partly why commercial breweries have such a fast turnaround.

Is my timescale suitable for my system? There's no point conditioning for weeks on end if you are able to manage a good clean fermentation.



8.Water
It's one of those things that seems like witchcraft until you start learning how to apply it. @strange-steve has put together a really helpful guide to water.If you're struggling, head over there and take a look.

Is my water chlorinated?

What are the ion concentrations? How will this affect bitterness and malt sweetness?

Is my water profile suitable for the style?

What is my residual alkilinity? Am I going to need to adjust mash pH?

Water adjustment isn't necessarily essential and you can compensate to some degree. If you have higher sulphate, you could reduce your hop additions to compensate. The opposite would then be true for water with a higher proportion of chloride to sulphate.

If your residual alkilinity is really high, you might be better off only brewing darker beer styles. If it's low, then lighter beer like Pilsner may be more appropriate, if you are unwilling to adjust mash pH that is.


9.Carbonation
For me, this makes or breaks a style.If you're about to tuck into a bitter and it's like champagne then you know that it's not going to taste right. Likewise, if you open up a wheat beer and you're greeted with a dull hiss, then it's not going to taste or feel right in your mouth. Carbonation drops might be convenient, but are very limiting. Never underestimate how much of a difference the correct level of carbonation can make.

Check what the volumes of CO2 should be in your target style.

If you're improvising or creating a new style then consider how the carbonation will affect the mouthfeel of your beer. Are you going for refreshing? smooth? slight tingle? champagne like?

10. Notes

Probably what most would consider to be the boring bit, but it's a vital part of the learning process. You wouldn't trun up to a class without a notebook and then expect to be able to remember everything that you did, so why try doing this with you precious beer. Don't waste the opportunity to learn, after all you're paying for it. It's really helpful for identifying problems in your process, especially if you are having a persistent issue.

Take notes at every point in the process, recipe forumaltion, brewday, fermentation, racking, bottling and tastings.

Make rough notes first and tidy them up for future reference.

Record Everything!

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Even after all that, something may still slip and throw a spanner in the works.

It's only in my last two or three brews that I've started looking in this sort of depth to be honest.I hope this helps.Ive learned that there is a fair amount to consider when designing a new recipe and just making beer in general. Some may think I'm a bit OTT, but that's the way I work.

Just to complicate matters further, some people make amazing beer without giving half of these points a thought.
 
Fantastic post Grizzly :thumb: I don't know whether to be inspired by that or terrified at the amount of variables that I don't currently consider. Either way this page is now bookmarked :)
 
Four months + in the bottle is when I've found a beer really comes into its own. Ive found it's worth putting a couple of bottles of every brew aside for at least that long. That way every two weeks I get to try a first taste of a a bottle, 3 1/2 months later I get to taste the same beer at the other end of the conditioning process. And then wish I'd have tried my first bottle at the four month point.
 
Some nice points thanks:thumb:

What I've addressed so far..
The funny twang was only in pail ales so I'm assuming its a water thing and now thanks to @strange-steve great water guide i'm hoping that one is in hand.
I don't mind a bit of cloud in my beers, its just when the cloud is dull and not a more shiny kind of cloud it bothers me. I would say this could be because I don't chill, but some beers are spot on so I'm not sure how the difference occurs:hmm:
The very dry beer was a 1005 fg after a 1074 og which I used a lot of demerara sugar and a bad *** yeast so perhaps I should of mashed a little higher and or cut down on the sugar.
The carbonation is something I'm a bit hit or miss on and as @Grizzly299 says it really can make a difference. One problem I have regards to that is I'm sure the litre marks on my bottling bucket are out. So I must stop being so lazy and accurately measure some water into the bucket and mark it off properly.
Also the notes thing is a good un and remembering to take note of the notes:lol:
 
Fantastic post Grizzly :thumb: I don't know whether to be inspired by that or terrified at the amount of variables that I don't currently consider. Either way this page is now bookmarked :)


Haha I didn't mean to terrify. I think the chaotic questioning style makes it a little more daunting than I originally intended.

I'll edit it so that it reads more clearly and less chaotically.
 

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