johncrobinson
Landlord.
Avo i have rarely seen it better put
Is it a nasty take on life to expect people to want to work for a living? I am not expecting genuinely unemployed people to not get some kind of help from the government. What I detest is people who do not work with entitlement issues who think they should have the same kind of life as those people who do. It is right and proper than benefits should cover the basics not luxuries, it gives people an incentive to go out there and make a life for themselves. I'm sorry but if you are struggling then you should not have Sky telly and the latest smart phone. It makes me bloody angry to have to pay for things for my children when some other people rely on the government to pay it for theirs. I firmly believe it is a generational thing and that there is just too much handed out on a plate nowadays. People used to feel ashamed of having to rely on handouts, now it feels like working families who pay their own way are in the minority.What a nasty take on life you have,
My parents were (and sill are) inteligent enough and quite capable of budgeting, It didnt stop them being unemployed in the 80s and I have no shame of being on free school dinners for a year or two.
Is it a nasty take on life to expect people to want to work for a living? I am not expecting genuinely unemployed people to not get some kind of help from the government. What I detest is people who do not work with entitlement issues who think they should have the same kind of life as those people who do. It is right and proper than benefits should cover the basics not luxuries, it gives people an incentive to go out there and make a life for themselves. I'm sorry but if you are struggling then you should not have Sky telly and the latest smart phone. It makes me bloody angry to have to pay for things for my children when some other people rely on the government to pay it for theirs. I firmly believe it is a generational thing and that there is just too much handed out on a plate nowadays. People used to feel ashamed of having to rely on handouts, now it feels like working families who pay their own way are in the minority.
There are approximately 1.5M people unemployed in the UK but 1.1M job vacancies yet we are screaming to let people come in from abroad to fill the positions.
I see lots of low income families and almost without exception;
The parent(s) smoke and drink - the ones without children do little else.
Frequently one or other uses other chemicals/herbal substances
They have the latest mobile phone
No matter how squalid the (tax-payer funded) flat, there will be an enormous television
They will be "on the sick for me mental 'elf" thus preventing them from undertaking any form of employment
I have little sympathy other than for the very exceptional case where genuine crisis (a sudden death or serious illness) causes short term hardship.
One recent case was a serial shoplifter/drug addict. I found out he had served in the RAF so put him in touch with the local SSAFA rep. He was offered a place in a sheltered unit, rehab and a return to work programme. He refused the lot, preferring his life of theft and drug abuse until nature intervened and he died suddenly.
I may be cynical, dealing with a certain section of society day in day out but I'm a firm believer in the adage "The place to find sympathy is in the dictionary, between s**t and syphillis".
It is not the government's job to feed children, it is the parents' and welfare/benefits are sufficient to do this.
There are approximately 1.5M people unemployed in the UK but 1.1M job vacancies yet we are screaming to let people come in from abroad to fill the positions.
It is not the government's job to feed children, it is the parents' and welfare/benefits are sufficient to do this.
Is it a nasty take on life to expect people to want to work for a living? I am not expecting genuinely unemployed people to not get some kind of help from the government. What I detest is people who do not work with entitlement issues who think they should have the same kind of life as those people who do. It is right and proper than benefits should cover the basics not luxuries, it gives people an incentive to go out there and make a life for themselves. I'm sorry but if you are struggling then you should not have Sky telly and the latest smart phone. It makes me bloody angry to have to pay for things for my children when some other people rely on the government to pay it for theirs. I firmly believe it is a generational thing and that there is just too much handed out on a plate nowadays. People used to feel ashamed of having to rely on handouts, now it feels like working families who pay their own way are in the minority.
There are approximately 1.5M people unemployed in the UK but 1.1M job vacancies yet we are screaming to let people come in from abroad to fill the positions.
I see lots of low income families and almost without exception;
The parent(s) smoke and drink - the ones without children do little else.
Frequently one or other uses other chemicals/herbal substances
They have the latest mobile phone
No matter how squalid the (tax-payer funded) flat, there will be an enormous television
They will be "on the sick for me mental 'elf" thus preventing them from undertaking any form of employment
I have little sympathy other than for the very exceptional case where genuine crisis (a sudden death or serious illness) causes short term hardship.
One recent case was a serial shoplifter/drug addict. I found out he had served in the RAF so put him in touch with the local SSAFA rep. He was offered a place in a sheltered unit, rehab and a return to work programme. He refused the lot, preferring his life of theft and drug abuse until nature intervened and he died suddenly.
I may be cynical, dealing with a certain section of society day in day out but I'm a firm believer in the adage "The place to find sympathy is in the dictionary, between s**t and syphillis".
It is not the government's job to feed children, it is the parents' and welfare/benefits are sufficient to do this.
One recent case was a serial shoplifter/drug addict. I found out he had served in the RAF so put him in touch with the local SSAFA rep. He was offered a place in a sheltered unit, rehab and a return to work programme. He refused the lot, preferring his life of theft and drug abuse until nature intervened and he died suddenly.
I really do think that this is very short-sighted, I encourage anyone with these views to really re-consider how did these people get into this situation to begin with.
Could you quote when answering as with so many posts being added to popular threads its difficult to see what post you refer to.
Sorry, thought it was very obvious, but sure, will do
There are approximately 1.5M people unemployed in the UK but 1.1M job vacancies yet we are screaming to let people come in from abroad to fill the positions.
How? The welfare system supplies funds to parents in order to feed their children. Explain how I contradict myself.You really are contradicting yourself in one sentence there
How? The welfare system supplies funds to parents in order to feed their children. Explain how I contradict myself.
I don't have time to wonder why people are where they are and it's not my job. I deal with the 'now'. I go to them when they are in danger, or hurt, or fighting (with themselves or others). I would love to be able to solve the problems of the world but I can't. I'm just the last resort. The one emergency service the cannot and never will say 'No". I've gone into houses where I have had to say that the children the leaving with me (Section 46 Children's Act 1989) and the parents have been arrested. I've cut teenage suicides down and done CPR on people who's sporting events have gone horribly wrong or have just reached the end of their alotted time on earth.I really do think that this is very short-sighted, I encourage anyone with these views to really re-consider how did these people get into this situation to begin with.
We are meant to be a community of people who should look after each other, at what point did that stop? Why did it stop? What can be done to reverse it?
I think The Thatcherous One has an awful lot to answer for.
This is very sad, but I believe only half the story, again, ask why did he refuse? I image that there is some trauma there that makes them the last people he would ever go to! I mean how bad must it have been for him to prefer this life?
My answer would be, probably, "Absolutely horrific beyond imagining".
We appear to agree. I am happy that any confusion has been sorted.The government IS the welfare system.
I don't mean to be disparaging, so to be clearer, the tax payer (in all the many forms that expresses itself) contributes to government funding, the government allocates a portion of that funding to various government funded agencies, of which the Department of Social Security is one, that money is then allocated to applicants accordingly, this includes the support of parents feeding their kids.
We appear to agree. I am happy that any confusion has been sorted.
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