Marathon Training

[alanywiseman.]

So training has been very difficult. After suffering really bad shin splints I took 2 weeks off and spent £100 on a new pair of shoes. I decided that I would do a light 4 miles after the 2 weeks off and my shins were on fire by the end of 2 mile. SO I went and saw a Orthotic Specilist at teh weekend and have been told I have a low gear foot/propulsion. What does this mean? I dont exactly know but the long and short of it is that to have any chance I need a pair of insoles.

Great I thought, finally a solution to the problem then he turned to me and suggested I needed a new pair of trainers So if anyone wants to buy a pair of Brooks GTS size 9.5 let me know.

I am just hoping that by the new year I can start running some serious miles otherwise I fear I am going to be ready for 26.2 miles.

 

[Russ146]

why?

You are going to seriously damage your body

It takes years to build up strength and strong joints to take the pounding of a marathon.

You will seriously and and permanently damage your knee cartilages and ankle joints, you will shake you internal organs about and have ongoing problems there because you wont have the muscle strength in place to support them.

You will have life-long hip trouble probably resulting in Arthritis.

You will probably regret it for the rest of your life as you end up in permanent pain and limping.

Just like all marathon runners/nutters do.

DON'T DO IT for the sake of your health its insane

 

[alanywiseman.]

:? Thanks I guess :thumb:

 

[phettebs]

You will probably regret it for the rest of your life as you end up in permanent pain and limping.
Just like all marathon runners/nutters do.
DON'T DO IT for the sake of your health its insane

Actually, a study by Stanford University suggests otherwise:

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2008/augu ... 82008.html
"But so far, the effect of running on delaying death has been more dramatic than scientists expected. Not surprisingly, running slowed cardiovascular deaths. However, it was also associated with fewer early deaths from cancer, neurological disease, infections and other causes.

The dire injury predictions other scientists made for runners have fallen flat. Fries and colleagues published a study in the August issue of the American Journal of Preventive Medicine that showed running was not linked with higher rates of osteoarthritis in older runners. Runners also did not require more total knee replacements, Fries said."

But if it makes you feel better to denigrate those of us "nutters" who enjoy distance running, knock yourself out.

 

[Russ146]

You will probably regret it for the rest of your life as you end up in permanent pain and limping.
Just like all marathon runners/nutters do.
DON'T DO IT for the sake of your health its insane

Actually, a study by Stanford University suggests otherwise:

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2008/augu ... 82008.html
"But so far, the effect of running on delaying death has been more dramatic than scientists expected. Not surprisingly, running slowed cardiovascular deaths. However, it was also associated with fewer early deaths from cancer, neurological disease, infections and other causes.

The dire injury predictions other scientists made for runners have fallen flat. Fries and colleagues published a study in the August issue of the American Journal of Preventive Medicine that showed running was not linked with higher rates of osteoarthritis in older runners. Runners also did not require more total knee replacements, Fries said."

But if it makes you feel better to denigrate those of us "nutters" who enjoy distance running, knock yourself out.

I was referring to the short time he has given himself to run a marathon and other nutters that think they can do it with little training. I do know a couple of long time runners that have hip and knee problems but fair point. and of course if it come from a "University" then it must be true like the one that has said we are all just a hologram of the real universe that is somewhere else. Ok then?

My view on exercise is that every hour you waste doing it while you are healthy puts an hour on your life when you're in nappies being spoon fed in a hospice longing to die but cant! I know, iv'e seen it happen many times.

For me i would rather commit suicide than waste my life away exercising but whatever. I have much more interesting things to do

 

[Tim_Crowhurst]

The dire injury predictions other scientists made for runners have fallen flat. Fries and colleagues published a study in the August issue of the American Journal of Preventive Medicine that showed running was not linked with higher rates of osteoarthritis in older runners. Runners also did not require more total knee replacements, Fries said."

But if it makes you feel better to denigrate those of us "nutters" who enjoy distance running, knock yourself out.

Bodyweight is a much better predictor for osteoarthritis and, since sloth (not gluttony) is the main reason for obesity in the UK, running may well protect against it.

 

[Wezzel]

I ran for years and never felt better. Never had any joint problems.

 

[narmour]

At least these "universities" base their on a decent sample size before stating any kind of published findings. I would rather believe the findings of a "university", than the opinion of someone who has a"couple of friends".

 

[Jeltz]

My view on exercise is that every hour you waste doing it while you are healthy puts an hour on your life when you're in nappies being spoon fed in a hospice longing to die but cant! I know, iv'e seen it happen many times.

For me i would rather commit suicide than waste my life away exercising but whatever. I have much more interesting things to do

That says a lot, personally I see a sedentary lifestyle as an investment in future ill health. Exercise is a natural stress reliever and releases feel good hormones which help to stave off the blues and depression. If you don't enjoy the exercise you're doing then you are doing the wrong one, for example I wouldn't ever do a marathon as I don't enjoy running.

As someone who trained in martial arts several time a week and frequently cycled 30+ miles it is a great loss to me that since I experienced a prolapsed disc in my back that my ability to exercise has been vastly reduced, and before anyone says it the disc was not caused by the exercise, according to the orthopaedics and physio its an age thing.

 

[alanywiseman.]

why?

You are going to seriously damage your body

It takes years to build up strength and strong joints to take the pounding of a marathon.

You will seriously and and permanently damage your knee cartilages and ankle joints, you will shake you internal organs about and have ongoing problems there because you wont have the muscle strength in place to support them.

You will have life-long hip trouble probably resulting in Arthritis.

You will probably regret it for the rest of your life as you end up in permanent pain and limping.

Just like all marathon runners/nutters do.

DON'T DO IT for the sake of your health its insane

I have given myself over 20 weeks in total to get ready for the marathon which is a lot longer than many people need. I do not believe that a long distance run is something that someone needs years of conditioning to achieve. The Human body is better than that.

I respect your views Russ but to be honest I think you are wrong. I plan to get fit and health. I have had a very hard year which has resulted in my gaining some weigth and eating ****. I feel a lot worse for it, I lack energy and and do not feel good. While you do not agree with people doing sport I would be greatful if you reframe from further slagging of 'Nutters' like me that decide run marathons or do things to keep health and fit. I want to challenge myself and this is what I have decided to do so if you do not have anything constructive to say then please dont say anything at all.

Personel I think you are insane for thinking doing nothing will lead to a better more furfulling life :wha:

Cheers

P.S. I guess you think I am even stupider doing given that I am type 1 Diabetic and will have to try and manage my blood sugars during the 4-6 hour run!

 

[graysalchemy]

:clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[TRXnMe]

As someone who trained in martial arts several time a week and frequently cycled 30+ miles it is a great loss to me that since I experienced a prolapsed disc in my back that my ability to exercise has been vastly reduced, and before anyone says it the disc was not caused by the exercise, according to the orthopaedics and physio its an age thing.

I'd have thought the core strength build up due to martial arts would have helped staved off disc problems.

FWIW I'm looking to get back into MA, none contact due to age and cowardice, to help me get my weight back under control, I just need to find a decent gym near me where the idea of battering 7 bells out of each other isn't the primary objective*


*Sadly, it seems to be what most of the paying punters want around here, so what most of the gyms provide

 

[Russ146]

Of course i do things that are healthy, i enjoy walking, swimming in the sea and i play badminton once a week but for pleasure not for any health reasons.

My advice was to suggest you allow longer for training to run in say next years marathon.

Also my Mechanic was a gym lover and runner, at 53 he has just had both hips replaced using some kind of faulty unit that ground away and contaminated his body with titanium filings that have left him crippled. he has had them replaced but will have ongoing problems for the rest of his life.

My advice is from experience not what i think.

How many marathon runners will drop dead this year i wonder?

My view on health comes from an early age. when i was 16 i started work as an electrician and we installed warden call systems in old peoples homes where they had a live-in warden. At 16 i was thrown into a world of false legs, pee/**** smelling incontinent old people with alzhemers and the awful things that come with age. It really did shake me to think that if i looked after myself i was going to end up like this anyway.

My dad died at 56 and my mum died at 64 and thus avoided they horrendous misery that old age brings.

So NO! i'm going to live each day like its my last and enjoy the ride so i DONT end up doubly incontinent, spoon fed and not having a clue who my family are all because i kept fit when i was young.

each to their own

 

[brewtim]

So NO! i'm going to live each day like its my last and enjoy the ride so i DONT end up doubly incontinent, spoon fed and not having a clue who my family are all because i kept fit when i was young.

My missus keeps telling me she will either cart herself off to Switzerland when they tell her she has some old age disease, or she'll just overdose on something nice....I have offered her a special 50L brewday of double strength IPA she can down in one

I'm not sure what I'll do when the time comes, maybe I'll let the state wipe my **** for a few years and get some payback for my tax dollars.

each to their own

Good point well made :clap:

 

[Slid]

I have given myself over 20 weeks in total to get ready for the marathon which is a lot longer than many people need. I do not believe that a long distance run is something that someone needs years of conditioning to achieve. The Human body is better than that.

My marathons were about 20 years ago now - last was 1994, best was 2:38 in the 1991 Potteries race, but I still run now, albeit slower than before.

20 weeks was my usual build up period for a marathon and if you are reasonably fit you will be fine. If you are not reasonably fit to start with, the 20 weeks is not long enough. I speak from bitter experience from my first marathon.

Training for the 2015 race is by far the best advice I could give you, but I doubt there is any more chance you will follow it that I would have done when I started training for my first marathon (in Barnsley, 1986).

So - given that you signed up mentally for the race, here is my advice:

1. Stick to the schedule as far as possible - the Hal Higdon schedules all look pretty sensible (Incidentally, HH was famous for being the man whose VO2 Max showed no decline during the decade of his 40's). If you can't keep to it (or pretty much) don't do the race and don't feel obliged to try.

2. Sort your shoes out - if you can't run in the ones you have, wear them to the pub and get some you can run in.

3. If you have shin splints, take 2 Aspirin / Ibubrofen 30 mins before you run. Shin splints are caused by friction between the shin muscle and the sheath that surrounds it. An anti-infammatory does not so much mask the pain as reduce the infammation that causes it.

4. Stick with the running. You will benefit from the training even if you don't make the start line in 2014. The world is not scheduled to end before the 2015 race.

If you have any specific questions, I am always willing to bore anyone with the benefit of my experience!

 

[TRXnMe]

Of course i do things that are healthy, i enjoy walking, swimming in the sea and i play badminton once a week but for pleasure not for any health reasons.

My advice was to suggest you allow longer for training to run in say next years marathon.

Also my Mechanic was a gym lover and runner, at 53 he has just had both hips replaced using some kind of faulty unit that ground away and contaminated his body with titanium filings that have left him crippled. he has had them replaced but will have ongoing problems for the rest of his life.

My advice is from experience not what i think.

How many marathon runners will drop dead this year i wonder?

My view on health comes from an early age. when i was 16 i started work as an electrician and we installed warden call systems in old peoples homes where they had a live-in warden. At 16 i was thrown into a world of false legs, pee/**** smelling incontinent old people with alzhemers and the awful things that come with age. It really did shake me to think that if i looked after myself i was going to end up like this anyway.

My dad died at 56 and my mum died at 64 and thus avoided they horrendous misery that old age brings.

So NO! i'm going to live each day like its my last and enjoy the ride so i DONT end up doubly incontinent, spoon fed and not having a clue who my family are all because i kept fit when i was young.

each to their own

It's a balance mate, I'm hoping to keep my chubby body together with my soul around about the same period of time my marbles remain in my skull :)

Walking, cycling and drinking all contribute to this balance