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Dear all..
I love curries! I've been trying for years to make really good curry but sometimes it doesn't always turn out nice at all! Not from lack of trying though...guests say they are great etc but I always think there's something missing...I've got loads of books,researched the Web etc etc. ...I've done the Pat Chapman books (not bad) the Indian restaurant style..you name it I've done it...I won't post up what I do because I've given up on consistency and recipes and usually just thrash something up and usually quite hot..
Anyone with a decent go to idiot proof recipe that you can adjust a bit for heat etc I'd love to hear off you. .

Cheers

Clint
 
Jamie Oliver Lamb curry but we swap the Lamb for Chicken, its a belter,at the bottom of the recipe he recommends washing it down with lots of cold beer, perfect
 
My top tip, buy a spice grinder if you don't already have one and crush the whole spices before you start. We have one of these ,its cheap but it does the job https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000HEZ98C/?tag=skimlinks_replacement-20
Next, freeze ginger root then use a grater on the frozen ginger to get the ginger ready for cooking as a paste.
Assuming you are not 'vege' don't buy cheap cuts of meat (within reason) and use a butcher if you have one, supermarket meat is full of water, butchers meat less so.
Then....what do you like, so that we can come up with some suggestions?
I have a few standard curries I do (in fact my wife says that's all I do!).
In the meantime you could do worse than to try these (noting that the 'rendang' is supposed to be Indonesian based)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/beefrendang_78767
http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/lamb_kofta_curry_60692
 
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Never had him down as a beer drinker.

Nah,me neither, probably isnt,but the recipe is from his Scottish pal 😉
One thing about this recipe is it doesn't use any powder, its all fresh ingredients, i must have made it over a hundred times, and i cant cook!
 
Clint one of the main problems with curry is the bhuna is not cooked out long enough leaving a raw tasting curry , also a curry needs tempering with sugar salt and lemon juice, . make sure your bhuna is well cooked and frying not boiling,make sure your onions garlic and ginger are fully cooked and starting to tinge brown then add powdered spices and cook, scrape all those toasty bits from your pan just adding a touch of water each time the onion spice paste sticks, dont use a saucepan for curry theres not enough surface area to bhuna. use a wok or frying pan then add to saucepan if need be.. whole spices should have been added to your hot oil first then seal the meat, remove to a dish, then add onion garlic etc ,then spices then liquid , tomatoes, coconut milk ect what ever the recipe says. put back meat. cook. The curry is ready when the oil floats, then temper with sugar salt lemon juice and fresh coriander to taste cook on for 10 min then serve.
 
I can and do make my own blend of curry from whatever spices I have available at the time. These include cumin seeds, coriander seeds, dried chillies etc etc etc and there are as many recipes available as you can shake a stick at.

In view of this, I will keep my tips simple:

1. Always fry whatever spices you are going to use as a first step. I use a fair amount of olive oil and then add small amounts of water to stop the spices burning or sticking.

2. Next into the pot is chopped up onions. They are fried in the oil/water mixture along with the spices until translucent.

3. Next is the garlic, which is fried until it starts to turn brown. (Not easy to see in amongst all those spices and onions.)

4. At this stage it's worth deciding exactly what you are going to have in the curry. It can range from:

A) Vegetables (squash, potato, carrot, peas, green beans etc etc) which are eaten on their own.

B) Meat (chicken, turkey, beef, lamb etc.) which is eaten accompanied by rice and/or naan bread.

C) Additions such as desiccated coconut, dried papaya, sultanas, raisins, pineapple etc to give that bit of sweetness or crystallised ginger to give it that bite of "hot sweet".

5. If meat is being used I cut it into bite sized pieces and brown them in the oil/water and then add the stock.

6. For vegetables I add the stock first and then put the vegetables into the pot in the order of "longest to cook in first" when the stock starts to boil. An example would be "Carrots > potatoes > sweet potatoes > squash > green beans > red peppers".

7. The stock is usually hot water with a couple of Oxo Cubes dissolved in it. There should be sufficient stock to just cover the meat and/or vegetables.

8. When the curry comes to the boil I have my first taste of whatever is in the pot and depending on taste I will add:

o More Chilli powder if it is too mild.

o Salt and/or sugar to balance the taste. (If you make the curry too hot for your palate the addition of sugar or syrup will reduce the heat.)

Finally it's a matter of tasting and offering tastes to SWMBO until we are both happy with the result.

For a really luxurious taste (usually when we have visitors and especially if we are making a Passanda or a Korma) we stir in a tin of coconut milk.

The variety of curries that can be made is enormous, as is the variety of edible things that can be included. I find that my most memorable curries ("memorable" in a nice way) are those that are knocked together and have included everything from whole tomatoes to mushrooms to chickpeas to sweetcorn .... the list of components and their combinations would run into many thousands ...

... which is why most of them are unrepeatable! :doh: :doh:

Oh, and only ONE of them has finished up being partially dumped!

I bought some spices in India and cooking a beef curry I overdosed on Tamarind Paste. I had to remove the chunks of beef, rinse them in cold water, pour all the stock down the drain and start all over again; but this time without the Tamarind Paste! :doh: :doh:
 
Clint one of the main problems with curry is the bhuna is not cooked out long enough leaving a raw tasting curry , also a curry needs tempering with sugar salt and lemon juice, . make sure your bhuna is well cooked and frying not boiling,make sure your onions garlic and ginger are fully cooked and starting to tinge brown then add powdered spices and cook, scrape all those toasty bits from your pan just adding a touch of water each time the onion spice paste sticks, dont use a saucepan for curry theres not enough surface area to bhuna. use a wok or frying pan then add to saucepan if need be.. whole spices should have been added to your hot oil first then seal the meat, remove to a dish, then add onion garlic etc ,then spices then liquid , tomatoes, coconut milk ect what ever the recipe says. put back meat. cook. The curry is ready when the oil floats, then temper with sugar salt lemon juice and fresh coriander to taste cook on for 10 min then serve.


What this guy says. Ive worked with plenty of great Indian cooks over the years and cooking down of the base is of upmost importance as is cooking out the spices.
Also try using a bit of tamarind paste instead of lemon juice to get that slight tartness.
 
There Tamarind paste or water or juice, i said lemon as its fine for the job and wanted to make it simple. Like you say the cooking of the base and spice is the difference in a good masala and a bad one There are curries that dont use the bhuna method but lets stay simple to start.
 
To be honest I've done all the methods to death....sometimes it's great but other other times average. I keep hankering for the taste of a take away we use occasionally that used to be outstanding but not now....atm I'm defrosting a lamb curry, fresh roasted spices etc, from a month ago...at the time it was OK but now smells amazing. ...

Cheers

Clint
 
To be honest I've done all the methods to death....sometimes it's great but other other times average. I keep hankering for the taste of a take away we use occasionally that used to be outstanding but not now....atm I'm defrosting a lamb curry, fresh roasted spices etc, from a month ago...at the time it was OK but now smells amazing. ...

Cheers

Clint
That's something else, some curries 'condition' and improve especially when put in the freezer.
 
I spent years making unsatisfying curries, until I found this forum: http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/

I've done loads from there, but some of them really stand out. Blade1212's Tikka Chicken is better than most takeaways. I make it in bulk, use some in curries, and some for making wraps for lunch. The Chicken Tikka Masala by lorrydoo is a favourite of SWMBO, and I'm very partial to Cory Ander's Jalfrezi. However, my favourite has to be chewytikks's Madras (see video below).

So, tips? I guess the things that worked for me going from ok 'pub-style' curry to one I wouldn't be disappointed with from an Indian curry house, are these: Don't scrimp on the oil, and make sure you infuse it with fresh garlic and ginger paste long enough, but not so long that it burns. Getting the seasoning right is also very important, a 1/4 teaspoon of salt makes a massive difference. Spice wise, I found that before I was over-spicing it. It is all about balance, and of course the usual suspects are important: coriander, cumin, tumeric, chilli, cardamon and occasionally cinnamon/cassia, mustard seed and clove. However, dried fenugreek leaves (kasuri methi) gives a deep savouriness that nothing else can compete with. Finally, and critically, the use of high heat to get the raw spices singed and fragrant, and also for cooking down the sauce. Look at the video below, when he is reducing the sauce it is constantly as if it is starting to stick on the bottom of the pan, and browning. However, he keeps stirring it so it doesn't burn, and the lovely flavour of that sauce thickening and browning on the high heat at the bottom of the pan is constantly being mixed into the rest of the sauce, until you get a really thick, deep flavoured unctuous sauce. The best bit about this restaurant style curry making, as opposed to the traditional long slow cooking, is that you can make 10 litres of base in advance and freeze it. Then all you need to do is defrost and tailor the rest of the ingredient and you can bash out any style you want in 10 minutes.

[ame="https://vimeo.com/21109113"]https://vimeo.com/21109113[/ame]
 
I spent years making unsatisfying curries, until I found this forum: http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/

I've done loads from there, but some of them really stand out. Blade1212's Tikka Chicken is better than most takeaways. I make it in bulk, use some in curries, and some for making wraps for lunch. The Chicken Tikka Masala by lorrydoo is a favourite of SWMBO, and I'm very partial to Cory Ander's Jalfrezi. However, my favourite has to be chewytikks's Madras (see video below).

So, tips? I guess the things that worked for me going from ok 'pub-style' curry to one I wouldn't be disappointed with from an Indian curry house, are these: Don't scrimp on the oil, and make sure you infuse it with fresh garlic and ginger paste long enough, but not so long that it burns. Getting the seasoning right is also very important, a 1/4 teaspoon of salt makes a massive difference. Spice wise, I found that before I was over-spicing it. It is all about balance, and of course the usual suspects are important: coriander, cumin, tumeric, chilli, cardamon and occasionally cinnamon/cassia, mustard seed and clove. However, dried fenugreek leaves (kasuri methi) gives a deep savouriness that nothing else can compete with. Finally, and critically, the use of high heat to get the raw spices singed and fragrant, and also for cooking down the sauce. Look at the video below, when he is reducing the sauce it is constantly as if it is starting to stick on the bottom of the pan, and browning. However, he keeps stirring it so it doesn't burn, and the lovely flavour of that sauce thickening and browning on the high heat at the bottom of the pan is constantly being mixed into the rest of the sauce, until you get a really thick, deep flavoured unctuous sauce. The best bit about this restaurant style curry making, as opposed to the traditional long slow cooking, is that you can make 10 litres of base in advance and freeze it. Then all you need to do is defrost and tailor the rest of the ingredient and you can bash out any style you want in 10 minutes.

https://vimeo.com/21109113
had to google curry base, do you make that up first?
 
had to google curry base, do you make that up first?

Most British Indian restaurants use the same Base sauce for all their curries. So I normally do a 3 litre batch. Then measure it out to 300ml takeaway tubs and freeze. There's loads of Base sauce recipes about. There's a recipe for it in the second link I posted.
I normally put a full carrot and pepper in, as can't see the point in just cutting less than half up.
 
had to google curry base, do you make that up first?

Yeah, what hoptoit said. Instead of having to make a dozen different slow-cooked curry sauces, the curry house will make one or two base sauces. These are almost entirely made of onion and water, but also with some oil, spices, garlic, ginger, and sometimes a little bit of salt, tomato puree, carrot, pepper or random things like evaporated milk. The base is cooked for a long time until the onions are falling apart, then blended to make a very smooth, thin soup-like mixture, which thickens up when used to make the actual curry.

At its simplest, to make an individual curry, start with oil (or ghee), chuck in some garlic and ginger, then some curry powder mix, and different ingredients plus the curry base. Cumin, green pepper and chillis, and you've got a jalfrezi; ground almonds and cream for a korma; almond, cream, coconut and honey for a pasanda; tomate puree, chilli and lemon for a madras; green pepper and onion for a bhuna. This is easy enough to memorise so you can get home from work and get the curry done in the time it takes for the rice to boil. Or, for something a bit special, you can try to mix a specific base sauce with a specific mix powder and follow a recipe like the ones in the forum, and then you're doing what the chefs do in Indian restaurants.
 
I reckon the KISS Principle comes into its own when making a curry.


Keep It Simple Stupid!​
:thumb::thumb::thumb:​

I never had the trots after nearly five years working in India but eating on an Indian rig with a crew from Kerala gave me a whole new meaning of the word "spicy".

A prime example was the Pakora where the chef often served up Birdseye Chillies deep dried in a tempura batter for elevenses! :whistle:

Happy Days! :thumb:
 

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