John smiths magnate

[Gary61]

Hi can anyone help is there a beer kit that would imitate John smiths magnate. I haven't had a pint since I moved away from Sheffield over 40 years ago. Thanks

 

[An Ankoù]

Les Howarth The Home Brewer's Recipe Database 2nd ed. p.195

John Smith's Tadcaster:
Magnet:
OG 1040. Malt bill: 78,6-83.7% Pale malt, 1.3-1.4% Black malt, 13-20% Concentrated sugar. Hops: Target, optional Yeoman. IBU: 32.5, EBC 37. Source RP/JHF.
And that's all.
I've no idea what "concentrated sugar" is.
His source is Roger Protz (an edition of his Almanac, I imagine) interpreted on Jim's Homebrew Forum.

Hope that helps.

 

[Clint]

I think usual need to research historical beer archives for that as the recipe will probably have changed and now it'll be like ditch water.

 

[Gary61]

Les Howarth The Home Brewer's Recipe Database 2nd ed. p.195

John Smith's Tadcaster:
Magnet:
OG 1040. Malt bill: 78,6-83.7% Pale malt, 1.3-1.4% Black malt, 13-20% Concentrated sugar. Hops: Target, optional Yeoman. IBU: 32.5, EBC 37. Source RP/JHF.
And that's all.
I've no idea what "concentrated sugar" is.
His source is Roger Protz (an edition of his Almanac, I imagine) interpreted on Jim's Homebrew Forum.

Hope that helps.

Thank you I was wondering if you could buy a tin and adapt it with malt extract

 

[Gary61]

I think usual need to research historical beer archives for that as the recipe will probably have changed and now it'll be like ditch water.

Thank you I was wondering if you could buy a tin and adapt it with malt extract

 

[An Ankoù]

Thank you I was wondering if you could buy a tin and adapt it with malt extract

You're welcome, Gary. I'm not an expert on kits, but I would doubt it. What you could do is buy some light malt extract and use that. You'd need to steep the black malt in water overnight and then boil the hops for an hour or more with the malt extract. Since JS seem to be using black malt to colour the beer, the "concentrated sugar" might just be ordinary syrup or even table sugar rather than invert sugar, but I could be very wrong there. Whether you'd come close, even with all grain would, I think, depend on your choice of yeast. and the water profile.
Making good beer is relatively easy compared with making a good copy of an existing beer.

Here's the recipe from Jim's. The comments which follow are not very complementary:
Has anyone brewed this? Thoughts, tips? Which yeast strain do you recommend?

JOHN SMITHS MAGNET BITTER - The Brewery Tadcaster

25 litre batch
OG: 1040
ABV: 4%
IBU: 37
Colour: 32.5 EBU

PALE MALT, 3250 g (=84%)
BLACK MALT, 41 g (=1%)
SUGAR, 580 g (=15%) Added to Boiler

HOPS Boil time 90 minutes

TARGET 31 g

Yeast of your choice.

 

[Baldinio]

Perhaps a Yorkshire bitter kit with a kilo of dark spray malt instead of sugar, then perhaps some hop additions with the same type of hops as in the all grain recipe. Guarantee it wouldn't be an exact copy but it may be somewhere near.

 

[Gary61]

Perhaps a Yorkshire bitter kit with a kilo of dark spray malt instead of sugar, then perhaps some hop additions with the same type of hops as in the all grain recipe. Guarantee it wouldn't be an exact copy but it may be somewhere near.

Thank you so much I will definitely have a go at that

 

[Fezzer]

Sorry not brewed it but had a couple pint of it last night at the sheff utd game

 

[Gary61]

Sorry not brewed it but had a couple pint of it last night at the sheff utd game

Thanks is it still as good as I remember

 

[Fezzer]

Thanks is it still as good as I remember

Yeah I enjoy it. Its been on the pump at Bramall Lane for a few year now. Can imagine how good it is from cask.

 

[marshbrewer]

The cask variant isn't brewed by Heineken anymore, whereas the keg version is, suggesting that they are different beers rather than the same beer packaged differently, which is also the same for bog standard John Smiths bitter; I've tried normal John Smith's on cask and its not bad whereas on keg its pantaloons.

 

[Dutto]

Hiya,

Here’s a link to “Concentrated Sugar”.

It’s a real “take your pick” so I think, for Brewingone of the main things to think about is “colour” so ordinary golden syrup would do the job!

https://healthfully.com/concentrated-sugar-7884601.html
Enjoy.

 

[Clint]

Nice to see you Dutto!