IPA inspired Pilsner questions?! help please?!

[DGANDT]

Hello fellow brewers!

I've got a few modified kit brews down and want to try my hand at something a little different.

I got a basic Pilsner kit from wilko's and hops to add, 100gm simcoe, 100gm amarillo & 100gm Warrior( for bittering)

Idea is I want an IPA inspired lager. I was planning on doing the pils kit as per normal but wasn;t sure in what order to add the hops? I assume the simcoe and amarillo go in together and the warrior toward the end?

still learning the ropes here clearly...

Any help advice please feel free!

Many thanks :

Don

 

[RobWalker]

I can't see a reason to do anything but dry hop to be honest. If you bitter it'll bring it further into IPA territory. Caeser Augustus is a great IPA inspired Lager;

http://www.williamsbrosbrew.com/beerboa ... r-augustus

So depending on the AA% maybe boil up a little warrior for 20 mins or so, then dry hop with the simcoe and amarillo, but not much more. 75g of each sounds good, maybe even the lot.

 

[graysalchemy]

The problem of trying to add bittering hops is knowing how much to add as you won't have any idea of how bitter the kit is to start with. Also boiling the wort (which you would need to to extract the hop bitterness from the hops) would mean you would lose some if any of the aroma of the kit which probably wouldn't be too much of a bad thing, if you are adding more aroma hops and dry hopping.

 

[DGANDT]

Nice one thanks for the fast response!

I do like my beer well hoppy so will probably use majority of it. so you reckon boil up a little? roughly? 40-50gm? then add to the mix then when the krausen is bubbling away chuck the hop socks of the other two in for the duration?

cheers Rob

 

[DGANDT]

The problem of trying to add bittering hops is knowing how much to add as you won't have any idea of how bitter the kit is to start with. Also boiling the wort (which you would need to to extract the hop bitterness from the hops) would mean you would lose some if any of the aroma of the kit which probably wouldn't be too much of a bad thing, if you are adding more aroma hops and dry hopping.

it's the bog standard wilko's pils kit so i doubt it has much in the way of bitter. ?!?

thanks :thumb:

 

[RobWalker]

Probably 15-20 ibu at a guess. Whats the aa% of your warrior? Its easily calculatable.

 

[DGANDT]

apologies it was magnum hop for bittering: A/A:- 14.18% Approx

Not that I know what that means to the process?!?!

 

[RobWalker]

Higher AA% = more IBUs in your beer per gram of hop, simply. If you have 10% AA delivering 20 IBUs in your boil volume, 5% AA will deliver 10 IBUs in the same volume, and so on. bleh.

If you boil 4.5L of water, 50g of warrior boiled for 20 minutes will give you 12 IBUs.

Boil 10L of water and 50g for 30 minutes will give you 36 IBU.

Most IPAs sit in the 50 IBU range easily, so if possible boil 10L of water for 30 minutes with about 40g warrior in, that will add 28 IBUs and a lot of flavour so you should be in the ballpark range.

 

[DGANDT]

excellent, just what i needed to know, If there was a way to rep you I would lol

 

[Pinchy]

Some really interesting info on Larger IPA hybrids here!

 

[Hawks]

Higher AA% = more IBUs in your beer per gram of hop, simply. If you have 10% AA delivering 20 IBUs in your boil volume, 5% AA will deliver 10 IBUs in the same volume, and so on. bleh.

If you boil 4.5L of water, 50g of warrior boiled for 20 minutes will give you 12 IBUs.

Boil 10L of water and 50g for 30 minutes will give you 36 IBU.

Most IPAs sit in the 50 IBU range easily, so if possible boil 10L of water for 30 minutes with about 40g warrior in, that will add 28 IBUs and a lot of flavour so you should be in the ballpark range.

Don't you need to boil in wort to extract bitterness ( as per GA above ) :hmm:

 

[DGANDT]

I've previously just added a small amount to the wort and then dry hopped the rest but i've not added a bittering hop to the sweet hops before so just want to get it right ish lol

cheers pinchy *bookmarked*

 

[graysalchemy]

Don't you need to boil in wort to extract bitterness ( as per GA above ) :hmm:

I was told by Aleman that you have to boil the hops in wort in order to isomerise the acids in the hops.

 

[Hawks]

Don't you need to boil in wort to extract bitterness ( as per GA above ) :hmm:

I was told by Aleman that you have to boil the hops in wort in order to isomerise the acids in the hops.

I thought the same for if you want to add bitterness ( probably also learnt from Aleman ) otherwise you have to add isomerised extract ? As I only brew AG it's never an issue for me, but one of those bits of info that stuck

 

[DGANDT]

little bit over my head there guys sorry. :wha:

 

[graysalchemy]

You will need to boil the hops in the kit to extract the hop bitterness, you can't just make a hop tea in boiling water. :thumb:

 

[DGANDT]

gotcha, been doing it that way previously.

 

[RobWalker]

ah, that makes sense. sorry about that!

for the record your pilsner kit shouldn't contain any aroma hops, the cheap ones are generally defined only by colour and level of bitterness...

 

[DGANDT]

hahah no it is just a tin of goop and some yeast lol. though i've had some really nice results just adding hops to normal kits.

added some trimmings from certain non legal herbs to a batch of citra'd up lager with great results, just added a bit to the wort for flavouring rather than after as i reasoned the sediment would turn it off quickly.

 

[DGANDT]

so my partner in crime/brewing reckoned he wanted to do a part grain brew and do a mini mash to add a bit more malt to the brew. thoughts? pro's con's?