After reading about the gallon brews that you can do on kitchen cooker (see clibit's post HERE) and others posting what they done I'm about to try it. The bloke at copperkettle homebrew done me a little recipe with pale malt crystal malt and a little torrefied wheat. Then some fuggle and golding hops. He even had it all weighed separate for me so I can just add the correct amounts during boil. As I have a 12 litre stock pot he based recipe on near 11 litre boil with a final volume of 8. Looking forward to trying this and possibly others although I think the beer I brew from kits are really good I'm interested to see difference if there is any.