I didn't say it .... this time!

[MyQul]

have you got any cream for it

Im drinking a cream ale at the moment. Any alcohol based drink should hopefully cure it

 

[The Baron]

Im drinking a cream ale at the moment. Any alcohol based drink should hopefully cure it

not allowed its a school night Doh!

 

[MyQul]

not allowed its a school night Doh!

I'm a rebel

 

[MyQul]

More scaremongering.

You mean like Dominic Raab, a Government minister, admiting the Government are looking into the stock piling of food in case of a no deal?

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/07/dominic-raab-brexit-uk-stockpile-food-no-deal

Even the Brexit supremo Mogg has admitted Brexit that britain will make us poorer

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/24/no-deal-brexit-poorer-jacob-rees-mogg-dividend

 

[BeerCat]

More yawning. I don't believe any of them. Paid to lie.

 

[MyQul]

More yawning. I don't believe any of them. Paid to lie.

You're not serious are you? No disrespect but you do know who Dominic Raab and Jacob Rees Mogg are and their 'impeccable brexit credentials' are dont you?

 

[Oneiroi]

Did all the experts really predict the apocalypse the day after the vote?

I feel like I’ve heard this claim a lot more from leave proponents since the referendum than I ever heard such predictions from experts beforehand.

I’m sure there are a couple out there but I definitely don’t remember it being the consensus or even particularly common, of course my memory could have been impaired by something




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[welly3]

Its not something i do every time i post the word expert but the "experts" said the country would implode the moment we started the process and these "experts" got it wrong.

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We haven't left yet. And I find it interesting that everyone is referring to this guy as an "expert" or a "so called expert".

Let's look at the cv of John Nelson.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Frederick_Nelson

He was chairman of Lloyd's of London, one of the major financial institutions in the world.

It is absolutely comical that people here seem to believe they have knowledge about the economic repercussions of leaving the EU that this guy doesn't.

What insights, experience and knowledge of economics do you brexiters have that you can simply dismiss as a fear monger someone who was essentially at the top of his industry, which happens to be economics.

 

[welly3]

More yawning. I don't believe any of them. Paid to lie.

By who? I assume you'll have some solid evidence and citations to back up that claim.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Did all the experts really predict the apocalypse the day after the vote?

They may not have said the day after but they did say soon after.

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[Dutto]

............ We voted to go it alone ...........

We did. However, everyone seems to have forgotten that there was a reason that we voted to join Europe in the first place.

It was a very simple reason. The "go it alone" system wasn't working.

The UK was in a shambles due to poor government and terrible business management whereas the countries that had "lost" a war some 30 years earlier were prospering; and the general public wanted to be like them.

Here's a good example. For nearly ten years we had a currency limit of £50 (€770 today) if we were leaving the UK and travelling abroad. Luckily (?) most people weren't taking holidays abroad in those days but if you did then no matter how long you went for the limit was £50.

If the imposition of this currency limit was tough, the removal and subsequent lack of control was even worse.

The currency limit was removed because the government realised that companies wouldn't invest in the UK if they couldn't remove their profits. This was greeted with joy by most of the UK population but that was before the same government sold off all of the UK nationalised companies; and profits made from selling me water at inflated prices by a monopoly industry are now handed over to pension funds in Canada and Australia!

Personally, I'm not an "expert" but I have lived long enough to remember what life was like before the UK entered the EU.

For the average worker it was ***** with a capital "S" so I have no confidence that a return to the "go it alone" system will make living in this country any better for the average person.

They may not have said the day after but they did say soon after.

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Actually, some of us said it the second we heard the results.

Personally, I believe people with vested interests created and maintain the argument that the UK should leave the EU.

Leaving the EU will benefit these people at the cost of the general public. This is demonstrated by the choice of legislation being put forward to change. i.e. Consumer Laws, Health and Safety Laws, Employment Laws, Human Rights Laws etc.

 

[Cwrw666]

There was a programme on radio 4 (so it must be true) a week or so back, discussing the various predictions these financial wizzes and captains of industry had made in the past and how things had actually turned out. Apparently their predictive abilities are only marginally better than the `man in the street'.
So much for expert opinion.

Here's my opinion: when we crash out of the EU there'll be a period of chaos for a while, our economy will dip and then slowly recover to much as it is now.
The poor will still be poor. The rich still rich. C'est la vie...

And I'll be glad of the few hop plants I have growing in my garden because those already expensive American hops are going to cost an arm and a leg.

 

[BeerCat]

By who? I assume you'll have some solid evidence and citations to back up that claim.

I could ask you the same.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Personally, I'm not an "expert" but I have lived long enough to remember what life was like before the UK entered the EU.

There will be many who also remember and voted out and those that don't remember but didn't like being in for all the reasons we have discussed here who also vorted out, we are leaving and letts hope the PM can get a good deal or we will be finding out what no deal really means.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Personally, I believe people with vested interests created and maintain the argument that the UK should leave the EU.

Leaving the EU will benefit these people at the cost of the general public. .

And of course the plebs were too stupid to see it and blindly took the bait and voted leave without giving it a second thought.
If you really believe people based their vote on the lies on both sides without giving them a second thought you really do have low opinion of those that voted leave.

 

[BeerCat]

You're not serious are you? No disrespect but you do know who Dominic Raab and Jacob Rees Mogg are and their 'impeccable brexit credentials' are dont you?

No offense taken. Yes i know who Mogg is and i am serious. They all lie about something.

 

[BeerCat]

And of course the plebs were too stupid to see it and blindly took the bait and voted leave without giving it a second thought.
If you really believe people based their vote on the lies on both sides without giving them a second thought you really do have low opinion of those that voted leave.

Sounds about right.

 

[Ajhutch]

There was a programme on radio 4 (so it must be true) a week or so back, discussing the various predictions these financial wizzes and captains of industry had made in the past and how things had actually turned out. Apparently their predictive abilities are only marginally better than the `man in the street'.
So much for expert opinion.

I know what you mean, but there is a subtle difference here. Pre referendum all the predicting that was going on was just that, prediction. People with spreadsheets making assumptions and calculations and of course pushing an agenda. What’s happening now, not perhaps this Lloyd’s of London guy but certainly Airbus and Land Rover which we’ve seen in recent weeks, is that the people who run the companies are saying ‘if x happens then we will do y’. That’s not a prediction, that’s an actual action they are actually threatening to actually take. Are they to some degree pushing an agenda, almost certainly. But putting in the same bucket as pre-referendum Project Fear isn’t right in my view.

Here's my opinion: when we crash out of the EU there'll be a period of chaos for a while, our economy will dip and then slowly recover to much as it is now.
The poor will still be poor. The rich still rich. C'est la vie...

I agree with this. I think ultra Remain is playing terrible politics again. Suggestions that we will run out of food on day three or whatever. So when that doesn’t happen, Farage can go on TV and point to all the dire warnings and say ‘see, they were wrong again’. It doesn’t really matter who is right or wrong on principal when you make a hyperbolic prediction that turns out to be wrong you lose the politics.

 

[welly3]

I could ask you the same.

I didn't say anyone was getting paid for lying. Or made any other claims.

 

[BeerCat]

I didn't say anyone was getting paid for lying. Or made any other claims.

Seems to be your claiming that they are trustworthy. Where are the citations for that.