Hops for a light ABV IPA

[brumbrew]

I'm going to copy brewdog recipie #14 trashy blonde. Well the malt bill anyways. It's the first brewdog I ever had and they don't brew it anymore. I don't have the hops needed but wondered if someone could point me in the right direction?

I've only got these hops on hand.

Bramling cross
Dr Rudi
Target
Progress
Junga
Galena
Marynka

Malt bill is

3.3kg pale malt
400g Munich
300g cara

What kind of hopping should I do?

Suggestions welcome. Brew day Sunday

 

[brumbrew]

Brewdog recipe calls for amarrillo, simcoe and motueka mostly on the flame out whirl pool end.

I'm open to dry hopping.

 

[BeerisGOD]

I don't want to appear negative as I love trying new things and clones but Not sure why itl be the same without exactly the same hops
There's a fine line in what makes each beer recipe so I'd just call it something else or make it another time when you have the hops

It sounds nice all the same and you've got a lovely range of hops
Hope it turns out ok

 

[Sadfield]

Dr Rudi has the Pine of Simcoe, of the others Junga and more notably Galena have some citrus and fruity qualities that might hint towards the Amarillo and Simcoe, although you don't really have anything with the tropical edge of Moteuka. You don't have the hops for a clone, but that doesn't mean you can't make something interesting.

Brew something up and report back.

 

[brumbrew]

I don't want to appear negative as I love trying new things and clones but Not sure why itl be the same without exactly the same hops
There's a fine line in what makes each beer recipe so I'd just call it something else or make it another time when you have the hops

It sounds nice all the same and you've got a lovely range of hops
Hope it turns out ok

I know exactly what your saying. It's not going to be an exact clone. I have to pop the brew shop tomorrow for the SO5 yeast so I will try and pick up at least some of the proper hops.

Just itching to brew

 

[brumbrew]

Dr Rudi has the Pine of Simcoe, of the others Junga and more notably Galena have some citrus and fruity qualities that might hint towards the Amarillo and Simcoe, although you don't really have anything with the tropical edge of Moteuka. You don't have the hops for a clone, but that doesn't mean you can't make something interesting.

Brew something up and report back.

That's what I was thinking. The description of some of the hops I have in stock closely matches the description of some of the hop schedule for the actual recipe.

Motueka seems to be a little expensive or at least not that readily available. Until I check tomorrow. Any ideas what I could sub it for?

Guess I'll call it dirty blonde or loose brunette

 

[ACBEV]

I really like Bramling Cross. In my experience its fruity with a lemony tinge if used late...

 

[Sadfield]

I've not used Motueka, however a number of sites describe its main characteristic as Lime Zest, so other NZ hops like Wai-iti or Wakatu both have lots of Lime in my experience. Galaxy would also be a very good option for tropical and citrus flavours. The problem is, although many hops have the same flavour descriptions as the likes of Amarillo and Simcoe, they rarely have the intensity or come combined with other Spicy or Herbal notes.

 

[brumbrew]

So if I go ahead with this. Which I will copying the grist. Any suggestions as to what hops out of the list I should use to make a nice hoppy pale?

I'd like a nice bitter bite but favoured more towards the aroma side. So flame out and dry hopping is what I'm looking at.

 

[brumbrew]

Mash for this now resting. Haven't decided on hops still. Ive decided to call it dirty brunette since I don't have the hops to make a clone.

 

[brumbrew]

Gone for progress, galana and junga

 

[brumbrew]

16 litres mash
Rested at 50 raised to 63 for an hour mashed out at 75 sparge 5 litres of 88

Boiled 1 hour. 20 to kettle. Boil off reduced this back to 18. Reading was 14.5Plato topped back up until 11%

It's cooling off now with the bag of hops still in it. As most went in 5 minutes before the end and I want a real hop bomb. May even dry hop after fermentation slows down.

Will pitch US05 late tonight or first thing before work tomorrow.

Hoping for low krausen as not much blowout room.

 

[brumbrew]

There was considerable trub so I've racked this into the larger fermenting vessel. The wine one with handles.

I removed the hop bag. And upon smelling and tasting the runnings from the bag I added 250 light dme and boiled a fresh 5 litre batch.

I managed to crack a demijohn doing this. First time for everyone. I did have the cold tap running over it. So was pushing my luck

 

[brumbrew]

Yeasts went in late last night. I just bunged the rest of the light dme in the demijohn batch. 9.5% sugar

 

[brumbrew]

Sorry never updated this. This dropped clear. Carbed up real nice. Last of it was consumed about a month ago.

Going to copy the same grain bill tomorrow but little less hops. I went a bit crazy and it was mouth puckering. Not to everyone's tastes. I liked it but was more bitter than flavourful.

Also going to repeat the stepped heating mash as u found this really helped with efficency and the beer was crystal clear at bottling. Hardly and sludge in the bottles. But still carbed up just fine.

 

[The Baron]

I've not used Motueka, however a number of sites describe its main characteristic as Lime Zest, so other NZ hops like Wai-iti or Wakatu both have lots of Lime in my experience. Galaxy would also be a very good option for tropical and citrus flavours. The problem is, although many hops have the same flavour descriptions as the likes of Amarillo and Simcoe, they rarely have the intensity or come combined with other Spicy or Herbal notes.

I've used Motueka and in my case it gave a mild lime flavour like adding a little lime cordial to your beer used it in a mex style kolsch/lager

 

[Hoppyland]

Going to copy the same grain bill tomorrow but little less hops. I went a bit crazy and it was mouth puckering. Not to everyone's tastes. I liked it but was more bitter than flavourful.

Hi Brumbrew. You don't need to cut back on the amount of hops to get a better balance between bitterness & flavour. You'll only get bitterness from hops added whilst the wort is boiling or still very hot. You've used 2 high alpha-acid hops, which will certainly bump up the bitterness if the wort was hot for any length of time. Three suggestions:
If you want the flavour profile of late-addition hops then use low-alpha ones (I use a lot of Wai-iti & Ahtanum - I also like Lemon Drop, Cascade & Motueka but these are a bit higher alpha so need a bit more care).
If you want to add flavour but very little bitterness from your hops, try a longer steep at lower temp (below 80C)
Use as much of any hop you like to dry-hop - no bitterness added, just aroma. Unless you use finings, I find that leaf hops will help your beer clear much quicker than pellets - although the extra volume of the hop cones can be a nuisance.
I have a 4.5% ABV IPA drinking at the moment which, for a 28l batch, has 120g of steeped hops (Wai-iti & Ahtanum) and 160g of dry hop (Cascade, Mosaic, Motueka). For bittering, I used 15g of Warrior (15% alpha) for the whole boil. It is wonderfully hoppy, but pretty moderate as far as bitterness goes.

 

[brumbrew]

Will give that a go certainly. I had quite a lot in during the boil. And as you say added bitterness. May try mostly dry hopping.

I didn't get around to brewing as my broken toe is still giving me some problems and didn't want to risk moving 23 litres of boiling wort about with only one good leg. Will definitely be doing some next weekend though.