fullers bottled beers

[Mark1964]

Sent fullers an email regarding the yeast in their bottle conditioned stuff. Ive recently been given a bottle of their 6.3% 1845 beer (which was rather tasty) so i saved the dregs and put them in some wort. Its now fermenting nicely on the mag stirrer but Fullers sent an email as follows
Thank you for your e mail and query. I can confirm that the yeast used in our bottle conditioned beers is our primary pitching yeast.

We would mention that during the storage of a bottle conditioned beer the yeast may undergo some physiological changes which makes culturing a little difficult and may produce a culture that does not fully exhibit all the characteristics of our yeast when normally used but it is possible to do.

Thank you for confirming that this would be for personal use only.

Best Regards


Derek Prentice

Brewing Manager

 

[jamesb]

Interesting comment on the "personal use" bit.

I wonder what a brewery would do if another brewery started using their yeast without permission.

 

[johnnyboy1965]

A very nice reply, well done Fullers Brewing Manager. If you want to use this yeast in one of your brews, I suggest a "one hit go". Thats is harvest the yeast and use it once, dont try to harvest it again out of the same strain. Im no expert on yeast strains but I an envisage all sorts of wierd and wonderful things happening.

 

[johnnyboy1965]

Interesting comment on the "personal use" bit.

I wonder what a brewery would do if another brewery started using their yeast without permission.

Interesting thought. I cant see anyone being able to copyright a yeast strain.
IIRC I think every brewery sends a sample of their yeast to a place in London, where it is kept in case something goes wrong with their stock.

 

[Dave1970]

A very nice reply, well done Fullers Brewing Manager. If you want to use this yeast in one of your brews, I suggest a "one hit go". Thats is harvest the yeast and use it once, dont try to harvest it again out of the same strain. Im no expert on yeast strains but I an envisage all sorts of wierd and wonderful things happening.

I have a brew fermenting now on 2nd use Fullers, what weird & wonderful things were you thinking of?

 

[jimw86]

Cultures a pretty readily available. At work we use a company who can supply lots of strains from lots of breweries. Theoretically im not sure you could copyright a living organism.

 

[jamesb]

Cultures a pretty readily available. At work we use a company who can supply lots of strains from lots of breweries.

Yes, Brewlabs, Cara and the like. But while many large and traditional breweries get these companies to keep a copy of the strain (usually ICOE) surely they have a say in whether the labs are allowed to offer the strains to the public.

Theoretically im not sure you could copyright a living organism.

Didn't Monsanto do this already?

 

[jimw86]

Cultures a pretty readily available. At work we use a company who can supply lots of strains from lots of breweries.

Yes, Brewlabs, Cara and the like. But while many large and traditional breweries get these companies to keep a copy of the strain (usually ICOE) surely they have a say in whether the labs are allowed to offer the strains to the public.

Theoretically im not sure you could copyright a living organism.

Didn't Monsanto do this already?

Is all I can say is, whether or not they can, they do. And besides that, all yeast will change its characteristics dependent on a number of things so its never going to be a 100% copy.

 

[Mark1964]

This yeast is pretty lively got up this morning and the head was at the top of the flask cant wait to brew again and see if it goes mental :thumb:

 

[Dronfieldbrewer]

I used Fulllers, the last time I brewed Dronfield Best bitter, it set off like a train. Just bunged it in a keg and it tastes beautiful..So much better than before. I am really taken with this yeast. It sticks like SH1t to a blanket to the bottom of the FV so if your considering bottling will be spot on...

 

[dennisking]

Brewed with yeast from 1845 several times in the past, don't think you will be disappointed Mark.

 

[Mark1964]

its going mental at the moment brewing with it next weekend

 

[DaveMack]

So is it all Fullers bottle beers that have the yeast in ???

 

[oz11]

1845 and Bengal Lancer have yeast, others including London Pride, ESB, Chiswick, London Porter and Honeydew do not.

 

[DaveMack]

1845 and Bengal Lancer have yeast.

Thanks for the reply Oz , i cant find anybody selling the Bengal Lancer ... Tesco's , but i can get the 1845 from there

 

[Dave1970]

Sainburys do the Bengal Lancer here, but it could be different around the country

 

[gurtpint]

We don't have Bengal Lancer in shops in these parts but Fullers India Pale Ale is now available. It's bottle conditioned as well - I wonder if that has the same yeast as BL?

 

[Dave1970]

Didn't know they did an IPA...Bengal Lancer is an IPA...there's no IPA listed on Fullers Website other than Bengal Lancer? If it's something new you've seen & it's bottle conditioned I'd be surprised if it's not the same yeast.

 

[gurtpint]

Didn't know they did an IPA...Bengal Lancer is an IPA...there's no IPA listed on Fullers Website other than Bengal Lancer? If it's something new you've seen & it's bottle conditioned I'd be surprised if it's not the same yeast.

Heres' the link Dave: http://www.fullers.co.uk/rte.asp?id=267. It is listed in their International section. Actually I have a suspicion that these two might be the same beer under different names. Or very very similar to each other anyway. They were both sold in a local pub last summer and me + a mate did a side-by-side comparison and there wasn't much of a difference taste-wise...

 

[Dave1970]

exactly the same alcohol %, must be very close if not the same, bound to be the same yeast?