Fracking U turn

[Crappyfish]

Anything that Rees Mogg is pushing is usually for 1 reason to make someone richer. How all of a sudden can the risk of earthquakes change if they use the same methods.
Is this done on the back of a crisis hoping people will support it cos gas is a high price and their fingers are crossed for a price drop in gas?

 

[Brew_DD2]

Anything that Rees Mogg is pushing is usually for 1 reason to make someone richer. How all of a sudden can the risk of earthquakes change if they use the same methods.
Is this done on the back of a crisis hoping people will support it cos gas is a high price and their fingers are crossed for a price drop in gas?

They don't. They just raise the maximum allowable seismic activity to suit. It's laughable.

 

[Brewnaldo]

They don't. They just raise the maximum allowable seismic activity to suit. It's laughable.

But they have people cheerleading it on regardless, so why wouldn't they.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

But they have people cheerleading it on regardless, so why wouldn't they.

Yes Chippy

 

[Chippy_Tea]

But they have people cheerleading it on regardless, so why wouldn't they.

Yes Chippy

I am not cheerleading it on i am suggesting as other members have said that we give it a try and see what happens then make a decision based on fracking here not in other countries.

Haversham said -
I think it's just the success of fracking in the US that has raised hopes here. As I said in my earlier post, let's give it a go and see. There are massive lobbies on both sides of the argument, so I trust no one. I'd just like to test it out (in a limited way) and find the truth.

Haversham said -
The trouble is, there are vocal lobbies on both sides. Needless to say, as with many big emotional issues, each side likes to quote scientists friendly to (and often financed by) their own side. From a very inexpert standpoint, I’d say it seems unlikely for UK fracking to get the economies of scale needed to attract serious investment. But if it can be trialled safely, and provide some local employment into the bargain, then why not?

 

[Rodcx500z]

Well i just hope it's not my house that goes down the big hole when the quake hits

 

[hop-a-long]

And drilling gas in the north of Holland (Friesland) has positively shown that it causes mechanical damage.

Right country, wrong province. Gas extraction and surface moverende (earthquakes) are in the area around the town of Slochteren in the province of Groningen!

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Well i just hope it's not my house that goes down the big hole when the quake hits

I don't think that's likely to happen

My earlier post in the thread -

Britain is believed to possess enough shale gas offshore that it would place the country into the top of the rankings of global shale gas producers. The production costs still are high, but it is felt that newer technologies, discovered in the United States, will make fracking for reserves a project that is commercially viable.

Reserves of UK offshore shale gas may eventually exceed 1,000 trillion cubic feet, which compares to the current gas consumption in the UK of 3.5 tcf each year. Even reserves near 200 tcf will put Britain among the top tier of countries with the most reserves. 1,000 tcf would lead Britain into the same grouping as Argentina, the United States and China, which are the current top dogs in shale gas potential.

 

[moto748]

The US has vast areas of wasteland were nobody lives. That, and the right geology, means fracking has some purpose in the US. Neither apply here. The boss of Cuadilla said the other day he doesn't think it's worth it in the UK, and he should know. And,more relevantly, even if it fulfilled some of the dubious claims made on its behalf, the impact on total energy production in the UK would be marginal.

Really I don't unsderstand how anyone can take any utterances from this bunch of coked-up robber barons seriously.

 

[chthon]

Right country, wrong province. Gas extraction and surface moverende (earthquakes) are in the area around the toen of Slochteren in the province of Groningen!

Yeah, don't pin me down on details, please.But North-Holland, Groningen and Friesland all are in the same vicinity

 

[Chippy_Tea]

even if it fulfilled some of the dubious claims made on its behalf, the impact on total energy production in the UK would be marginal.

Not according to this -

Britain is believed to possess enough shale gas offshore that it would place the country into the top of the rankings of global shale gas producers. The production costs still are high, but it is felt that newer technologies, discovered in the United States, will make fracking for reserves a project that is commercially viable.

Reserves of UK offshore shale gas may eventually exceed 1,000 trillion cubic feet, which compares to the current gas consumption in the UK of 3.5 tcf each year. Even reserves near 200 tcf will put Britain among the top tier of countries with the most reserves. 1,000 tcf would lead Britain into the same grouping as Argentina, the United States and China, which are the current top dogs in shale gas potential.

https://www.shalegasfracking.co.uk/shale-gas-reserves/

 

[lancon]

In a series of tweets on Monday, Kwasi Kwarteng pointed instead to investment in “cheap, clean power” in order to protect the UK from global gas markets.

Extra supply generated from untapped shale reserves in the UK “won’t materially affect the wholesale market price,” Kwarteng said.

The government would also invest in upgrading homes to be more energy efficient was this was “the best way to keep energy bills down.”

As gas is more expensive than renewable energy, the UK must invest in nuclear and renewable energy as a long-term solution to soaring prices in Europe.

“The more cheap, clean power we generate at home, the less exposed we’ll be to global gas markets,” he said

 

[Polcho]

Getting people to use less energy would be a start.
Clearly, it’s not going to solve the problem, but people just burn energy for no particular reason, other that being bone idle.

My neighbour, yes the one that chooses not to work, yet is happy to use all sorts of services, has a tumble drier.

It’s in his shed, the air smells of all sorts of fake flowers etc when it’s on, but my point here is, he has a washing line that he has to walk past to fill his machine up.

Why would someone with all the time in world do that?

 

[foxy]

In a series of tweets on Monday, Kwasi Kwarteng pointed instead to investment in “cheap, clean power” in order to protect the UK from global gas markets.

Extra supply generated from untapped shale reserves in the UK “won’t materially affect the wholesale market price,” Kwarteng said.

The government would also invest in upgrading homes to be more energy efficient was this was “the best way to keep energy bills down.”

As gas is more expensive than renewable energy, the UK must invest in nuclear and renewable energy as a long-term solution to soaring prices in Europe.

“The more cheap, clean power we generate at home, the less exposed we’ll be to global gas markets,” he said

Even when the nuclear power stations come on line the price of energy won't go down. While it is good to be independent with power produced in the UK, it really is a no brainer to install roof top solar and be independent, or mostly independent from the grid. It would pay for itself in 4 years or so.

 

[Agentgonzo]

Even when the nuclear power stations come on line the price of energy won't go down. While it is good to be independent with power produced in the UK, it really is a no brainer to install roof top solar and be independent, or mostly independent from the grid. It would pay for itself in 4 years or so.

In Australia maybe, but it's not as good in rainy Britain. Break even point is averaging around 11 years.

But investment in rooftop solar nationwide does seem to be a no brainer from a governmental point of view. It's a real shame they slashed the incentives for it.

 

[foxy]

It doesn't need to be sunny for solar to generate energy, here in Victoria the weather isn't hugely different to the UK. When the government offer an incentive to save money, like the solar incentive, its usually a good idea to take them up on it. The ones who don't are the ones who will be paying the FiT to the ones who took the incentive.
The best incentive is the money saved long term, the more the energy prices rise the sooner the units pay for themselves and become a worthwhile investment, they do come with 25 year guarantees.
As for the fracking over here I believe it is banned in most states bar Queensland, not without reason, the ground water can become contaminated as they have found in USA.
Fracking Threatens California’s Wildlife

 

[Crappyfish]

I am not cheerleading it on i am suggesting as other members have said that we give it a try and see what happens then make a decision based on fracking here not in other countries.

Haversham said -
I think it's just the success of fracking in the US that has raised hopes here. As I said in my earlier post, let's give it a go and see. There are massive lobbies on both sides of the argument, so I trust no one. I'd just like to test it out (in a limited way) and find the truth.

Haversham said -
The trouble is, there are vocal lobbies on both sides. Needless to say, as with many big emotional issues, each side likes to quote scientists friendly to (and often financed by) their own side. From a very inexpert standpoint, I’d say it seems unlikely for UK fracking to get the economies of scale needed to attract serious investment. But if it can be trialled safely, and provide some local employment into the bargain, then why not?

Can't see how drilling and filling up with chemicals can work anywhere. At the end of the day what they want to do will have repercussions.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Can't see how drilling and filling up with chemicals can work anywhere. At the end of the day what they want to do will have repercussions.

I guess time will tell.

 

[Polcho]

I’m keen on solar energy.
The problem I’m having is I seem to get bogged right down soon after I look into it.

What’s good,bad, rip off firms blah blah.

I do think the government will kick off with schemes though. At present, because my neighbour is on benefits, but lives in the house his mother left him, he has received free loft insulation fitted, a new boiler, and cavity wall insulation.

I told him there are schemes for free solar, so I’ll let him do the research for me. I’ll soon know if there is anything in the offing!

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I have posted this video before it may help you decide what would work for you -