Fracking U turn

[Cheshire Cat]

I see that Thick Lizzie has done a U turn on allowing fracking to take place. Absolutely crazy decision not understanding the consequences in the short and long term on the environment.

 

[Agentgonzo]

If the Tory's have proved over the last 7 years that they're good at anything, it's U-Turns!

 

[moto748]

The weird think for me is now that the Tories look set to unearth this dead cat of a policy, here's the boss of Cuadilla the fracking company saying he doesn't think it's worth it anyway. Odd that, considering they were so bullish a few years back.

The truth surely is that on our crowded island, so different from the US, fracking was never going to be a large-scale money-spinner (like North Sea oil/gas), or at least, not without heavy government subsidy. Perhaps Cuadilla realise the government money-train just stalled on the tracks?

 

[Chippy_Tea]

We have 50 years' worth of gas under our feet if its safe to get it to the surface why not drill for it?

Is it safe or not?

Video one would have you believe it is the second maybe not.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Jesus wouldn’t touch that with a barge pole. I‘m from Northwich which had a history of subsidence due to salt mining and then erosion of the pillars of salt. I bet they’ll be no fracking in the government’s back yard.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I bet they’ll be no fracking in the government’s back yard.

Where is the governments back yard do you mean where every member of the Tory party lives?

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Home counties

 

[moto748]

The chances of fracking happening on any appreciable scale in the UK is about as great as the chances of any asylum-seekers actually ending up in Rwanda.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Home counties

Are there huge amounts of gas there has his been discussed before?

 

[Brewnaldo]

Fracking in the exaggerated best case scenario, which has been roundly debunked by geologists and various industry experts, can supply 1% of the UK gas consumption.

1. Per cent.

No further evidence that it can be done safely has been supplied in advance of this U turn.

So who is this really for?

There is no magic bullet under our feet. There is not "50 years worth of gas".

Anyone cheerleading this policy really needs to do a bit of reading about what the potential gains are. An absolute nonsense, zero upside dog whistle of the type the Tories are having to try less and less hard to get the cheerleaders on board.

Utterly, utterly depressing.

 

[chthon]

And drilling gas in the north of Holland (Friesland) has positively shown that it causes mechanical damage.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

 

[Agentgonzo]

I like the way that "bung money to my selected mates" always gets turned into "boost the economy" in the press.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

So who is this really for?

There is no magic bullet under our feet. There is not "50 years worth of gas".

They had an "expert" on 5 live today who said there could be as much as 50 years worth, no one can say for sure how much there is but if it means we could get 25 years and it is safe why not.

This is an interesting read -

Britain is believed to possess enough shale gas offshore that it would place the country into the top of the rankings of global shale gas producers. The production costs still are high, but it is felt that newer technologies, discovered in the United States, will make fracking for reserves a project that is commercially viable.

Reserves of UK offshore shale gas may eventually exceed 1,000 trillion cubic feet, which compares to the current gas consumption in the UK of 3.5 tcf each year. Even reserves near 200 tcf will put Britain among the top tier of countries with the most reserves. 1,000 tcf would lead Britain into the same grouping as Argentina, the United States and China, which are the current top dogs in shale gas potential.

https://www.shalegasfracking.co.uk/shale-gas-reserves/

 

[Brewnaldo]

They had an "expert" on 5 live today who said there could be as much as 50 years worth, no one can say for sure how much there is but if it means we could get 25 years and it is safe why not.

This is an interesting read -

Britain is believed to possess enough shale gas offshore that it would place the country into the top of the rankings of global shale gas producers. The production costs still are high, but it is felt that newer technologies, discovered in the United States, will make fracking for reserves a project that is commercially viable.

Reserves of UK offshore shale gas may eventually exceed 1,000 trillion cubic feet, which compares to the current gas consumption in the UK of 3.5 tcf each year. Even reserves near 200 tcf will put Britain among the top tier of countries with the most reserves. 1,000 tcf would lead Britain into the same grouping as Argentina, the United States and China, which are the current top dogs in shale gas potential.

https://www.shalegasfracking.co.uk/shale-gas-reserves/

What does "50 years mean"?

I could make a keg last fifty years if I wanted to. Wouldn't do much for my beer supply needs though, or bring the costs down.

There isn't really even anyone out there credibly claiming this is useful to the consumer. You have to drill the Wells and flow them. Theoretical reserves are a million miles away from appreciable gas flows.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

What does "50 years mean"?

I could make a keg last fifty years if I wanted to. Wouldn't do much for my beer supply needs though, or bring the costs down.

If this is the case i don't think we have anything to worry about -

UK offshore shale gas may eventually exceed 1,000 trillion cubic feet, which compares to the current gas consumption in the UK of 3.5 tcf each year.

 

[Brew_DD2]

It's never going to deliver anything other than dodgy contracts. It will not work in the UK, nor is it desirable in a country with our population density.

 

[klaus]

A lot of the measures being put forward or mooted are there to show how tough this government is, never mind that a lot of measures will take years/decades to show results. And then the statement by JRM that "there have been reports that some of the opponents of frack are supported by Putin" remind me of the way a certain US president used to speak .... Now that "Britain Trump" is ousted are we seeing the revival of so-called populist rhetorik, with a splash of tax cuts?

 

[Cheshire Cat]

The Council of Canadians opposes fracking because of its high water use, its high carbon emissions, its impacts on human health, the disruption it causes to wildlife, and the danger it poses to groundwater and local drinking water.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

The Council of Canadians opposes fracking because of its high water use, its high carbon emissions, its impacts on human health, the disruption it causes to wildlife, and the danger it poses to groundwater and local drinking water.

Bunch of fracking wusses weyll be alreet