Bernie
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Did Cleverly actually say "where same-sex activity is illegal"?
Foreign Secretary James Cleverly tells LGBT fans to be respectful -
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They didn’t have “where same-sex activity is illegal” in the quote marks.
Bernie
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That was my point!
How would you feel if your very existence was illegal in these countries, because you happen to have relationships with women? Or because your skin was white. Sexuality isn't a choice. If countries want to make it illegal, that's their lookout, but it doesn't mean that we should be agreeing with or endorsing it.
Bernie
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Cleverly isn't agreeing or endorsing it.
Since adultery is illegal in many Middle Eastern countries randy Rodcx500z could come back with some part of his anatomy cut off. So, I'm sure he'd be respectful of the local culture.
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Well -
1 - i wouldn't be in their country,
2 - no were in my post did i say i agreed with what they do or treat people,
3 - why would anyone who is LBGTXYZ go to such a place i know i wouldn't,
4 - i just don't get your point but then again like you said the other day i need help,
1 - i wouldn't be in their country,
2 - no were in my post did i say i agreed with what they do or treat people,
3 - why would anyone who is LBGTXYZ go to such a place i know i wouldn't,
4 - i just don't get your point but then again like you said the other day i need help,
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The point is that one of our politicians is saying that people who happen to be gay, should try not to be, rather than condemning Qatar. It's like asking someone if they could be less white. Do you think that would be ok? FIFA, and James Cleverly should be ashamed of themselves.
Of course it's not a good idea for gay people to go to Qatar, but the fact that FIFA has chosen a country where people can't be safe because of who they are, (remember, sexuality isn't a choice despite what you might think) is just repulsive.
Of course it's not a good idea for gay people to go to Qatar, but the fact that FIFA has chosen a country where people can't be safe because of who they are, (remember, sexuality isn't a choice despite what you might think) is just repulsive.
Bernie
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No he didn't
To go to Qatar and flaunt its laws, which is what he said.
FIFA, not Cleverly.
He's pointing his finger at the wrong people. How would you feel if he'd said, you shouldn't flout their laws by being black. Best stay at home, or try not to be so black. FIFA should be ashamed for picking a country where people will be be unsafe from the authorities in that country.
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He did not say people who are gay should try not to be, I don't care what anybody is that is their choice and yes they should be allowed to go were they want but that aint going to happen is it so best to take care if they go
It's not their choice. That's the point.
Ok you are born what you are, choice is just a word which you are taking totally out of context there do you feel better now
You said you don't care what people are, it's their choice. The context is clear. If you don't like your arguments being taken apart, you should perhaps be more careful with the language you choose to use. Sexuality isn't a choice, ignorance is.
who mentioned arguments i didn't, forget it
Argument noun
a reason or set of reasons given in support of an idea, action or theory.
I hope that helps
a reason or set of reasons given in support of an idea, action or theory.
I hope that helps
I can see both perspectives here.
Consider the pressure on those of non-Christian Faiths and non-European cultures, to conform with UK norms of festivals, clothing, and behaviours. The bans in countries such as France on the burkha, and the idea that people visiting the UK comply with UK laws which may be different in their country of residence. Now, it is not valid to compare all of these with gender expression or sexual orientation, there is though a matter of respecting the laws of a country while visiting it, just as much as you have to comply with laws in your own country irrespective of a personal view one way or another. This is not to say I support the laws in Qatar, far from it, but I do recognise that compromise is often a way to bring people closer, and less likely to polarise views on the way to longer term change.
Consider the pressure on those of non-Christian Faiths and non-European cultures, to conform with UK norms of festivals, clothing, and behaviours. The bans in countries such as France on the burkha, and the idea that people visiting the UK comply with UK laws which may be different in their country of residence. Now, it is not valid to compare all of these with gender expression or sexual orientation, there is though a matter of respecting the laws of a country while visiting it, just as much as you have to comply with laws in your own country irrespective of a personal view one way or another. This is not to say I support the laws in Qatar, far from it, but I do recognise that compromise is often a way to bring people closer, and less likely to polarise views on the way to longer term change.
I couldn't agree more.
Idea, action, theory, don't think i used any of those words, i just gave my thoughts on the op, anything wrong with that no, i already stated along with others i agree it shouldn't happen or do you not get that for some reason, so what is your point
I give up. There is absolutely no point in having a discussion with someone who doesn't understand the concept of one.
If you knowingly travel to a place that you know is intolerant to who you are and do not take certain mitigating measures to reduce the risk to yourself isn't that just a lack of personal responsibility? Like an old friend of mine who wanted to wear his football colours when in a dodgy pub in the heart of the opponent's city. He was adamant about it but he wouldn't be the one picking a broken beer glass out of his face, he'd have run a mile leaving others to face the music.
