So essentially same. Service every year, MOT after 3 years. So buying a Second hand car, you'll expect the same mechanical problems like broken suspension springs, replacing the wishbones, split disks etc.
Electric cars.
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So dealers are going to lose oil change, spark plugs, cam belt/chain change, gearbox service, exhaust, x millions of cars that's a lot of wonga they have to recoup, either a lot of mechanics lose their jobs or a service will be mega bucks, something will have to give, but i along with a lot of others don't need to worry about it
Spot on Rod.
Its not only the car dealers think of all the car spares places like Halfords who will lose customers then you have engine/gearbox rebuilders etc there is going to be a huge knock on effect most of us haven't given a thought to.
There are going to be a lot of people out of work over the next few years -
Drivetrain
100s of engine parts sub-contracted to vendors assembled at engine maker - Vs - a simpler motor driven by tech and assembled in-house. I estimate it would need 50% fewer people overall to make a motor (1 casing, rotor, winding and gears) instead of a complicated engine. Same case applicable to gearboxes - electric motors can eliminate the need for a complicated transmission, so many jobs are in question here.
Starter motor/Alternator
There are some Giant employer names in India that are well-known starter and alternator manufacturers, TVS is one, and BOSCH is another, what about those 1000s of jobs there?
Suspension/Brakes/HVAC
In the current EV Scenario, these industries look safe but there may be advancements made. Regenerative braking can eliminate the need for better brakes someday so watch out. Thankfully with a warmer earth, HVAC is still needed and EVs do need some tech to cool down their internals.
Radiator/heat exchange
There is a sure need for a radiator concept in an EV to keep the battery and motor cool but I am not sure if any jobs will be lost.
Spares/Ancillary units/Engine oil/lubricants/filters/Mechanics
This will be a significant sector that will see millions of job losses, there are 100s of lubricant brands in the world, OEM and fake spare industries, 1st grade copy and fake part manufacturers who somehow provide jobs and run the economy, those will be at stake. Air filters, oil filters, engine spares, clutch replacements, etc all gone forever. All after-sales service centers around the world - organized and unorganized, what will happen to them?
Gujri/Scrap/recylcers
Every major town and every city has a suburb with 100s of streets and 1 or 2 highways full of used spares - engines, gearboxes, body parts like hood, boot, seats, etc - what will happen to them?
After-market tuners/Performance Spares/Accessories
Even a Swift can be modded with a louder FFE exhaust and a K&N air filter, what about those industries? Audio refitters, there are various jobs related to both manufacturing of a Pioneer or Sony or Alpine HU and a Sub, Amp, their related wiring etc - I don't think a Tesla or a BYD (for that matter even today's cars don't need an AFM audio anymore) will need these industries.
I can imagine a Tesla having a 10,000 Rs seat cover done in JC road safely covering the airbags but still there are some jobs to surely vanish in this industry. A product as simple as a Pom-Pom Bosch horn cannot be added to an EV without facing major warranty issues. Minda, Roots, Super - there are so many companies making such a simple 1st-mod-on-a-car in India - louder horns.
Additives/Non OEM performance add ons
Liqui moly, Bardhal, 3M, and 1000s more companies have additives for fuel and oil, what about them?
Bearings
Surely companies like SKF/***/Techspin will have lesser business if engines and gearboxes are eliminated, they are giants in the job sector. There is no need for a journal bearing surely in EV I hope.
Casting/Foundries
Yes, an EV drive train still needs a cast outer block and a forged shaft or a few but there are far fewer cast/forged parts inside a motor compared to an ICE engine.
The Factory
I have checked out EV factories like Ather or Ola (being a native of Hosur, TN) they really don't need a lot of employees to put together an EV product as compared to the cumbersome assembly of an ICE car/bike. Yes, there are jobs created but it takes far fewer people to assemble an EV compared to a conventional car or bike.
The Battery
I really do not have an estimate of how many jobs are created in the manufacture of EV batteries, can anyone discuss that topic? From mining to logistics to processing and assembly of a Battery Pack.
Oil/Petroleum/Refining/Distribution/Pumps
This is the hottest topic of all, can anyone even begin to estimate the number of jobs in the oil industry, it is simply massive and they make or break nations, geo-politics, and differentiate developed or conflict nations. From oil exploration to drilling and mining to shipping and storage to refining and distribution to petrol pumps - it is simply mind-boggling. I cannot understand how EVs are going to replace this industry and where are humans going to find alternative energy to replace oil. Unless we find a Lithium deposit below earth similar to the Middle-East oil story from the 1970s - hoping the volume of Lithium deposits is the size of 3-4 states combined in India - I simply do not see how a 5 trillion $ industry can be closed down in 5-10 years. Unless someone invents a nuclear-powered car that can run on a spoonful of U235 for 25 years at a stretch…
https://www.team-bhp.com/news/effects-ev-transition-jobs-auto-industry
Drivetrain
100s of engine parts sub-contracted to vendors assembled at engine maker - Vs - a simpler motor driven by tech and assembled in-house. I estimate it would need 50% fewer people overall to make a motor (1 casing, rotor, winding and gears) instead of a complicated engine. Same case applicable to gearboxes - electric motors can eliminate the need for a complicated transmission, so many jobs are in question here.
Starter motor/Alternator
There are some Giant employer names in India that are well-known starter and alternator manufacturers, TVS is one, and BOSCH is another, what about those 1000s of jobs there?
Suspension/Brakes/HVAC
In the current EV Scenario, these industries look safe but there may be advancements made. Regenerative braking can eliminate the need for better brakes someday so watch out. Thankfully with a warmer earth, HVAC is still needed and EVs do need some tech to cool down their internals.
Radiator/heat exchange
There is a sure need for a radiator concept in an EV to keep the battery and motor cool but I am not sure if any jobs will be lost.
Spares/Ancillary units/Engine oil/lubricants/filters/Mechanics
This will be a significant sector that will see millions of job losses, there are 100s of lubricant brands in the world, OEM and fake spare industries, 1st grade copy and fake part manufacturers who somehow provide jobs and run the economy, those will be at stake. Air filters, oil filters, engine spares, clutch replacements, etc all gone forever. All after-sales service centers around the world - organized and unorganized, what will happen to them?
Gujri/Scrap/recylcers
Every major town and every city has a suburb with 100s of streets and 1 or 2 highways full of used spares - engines, gearboxes, body parts like hood, boot, seats, etc - what will happen to them?
After-market tuners/Performance Spares/Accessories
Even a Swift can be modded with a louder FFE exhaust and a K&N air filter, what about those industries? Audio refitters, there are various jobs related to both manufacturing of a Pioneer or Sony or Alpine HU and a Sub, Amp, their related wiring etc - I don't think a Tesla or a BYD (for that matter even today's cars don't need an AFM audio anymore) will need these industries.
I can imagine a Tesla having a 10,000 Rs seat cover done in JC road safely covering the airbags but still there are some jobs to surely vanish in this industry. A product as simple as a Pom-Pom Bosch horn cannot be added to an EV without facing major warranty issues. Minda, Roots, Super - there are so many companies making such a simple 1st-mod-on-a-car in India - louder horns.
Additives/Non OEM performance add ons
Liqui moly, Bardhal, 3M, and 1000s more companies have additives for fuel and oil, what about them?
Bearings
Surely companies like SKF/***/Techspin will have lesser business if engines and gearboxes are eliminated, they are giants in the job sector. There is no need for a journal bearing surely in EV I hope.
Casting/Foundries
Yes, an EV drive train still needs a cast outer block and a forged shaft or a few but there are far fewer cast/forged parts inside a motor compared to an ICE engine.
The Factory
I have checked out EV factories like Ather or Ola (being a native of Hosur, TN) they really don't need a lot of employees to put together an EV product as compared to the cumbersome assembly of an ICE car/bike. Yes, there are jobs created but it takes far fewer people to assemble an EV compared to a conventional car or bike.
The Battery
I really do not have an estimate of how many jobs are created in the manufacture of EV batteries, can anyone discuss that topic? From mining to logistics to processing and assembly of a Battery Pack.
Oil/Petroleum/Refining/Distribution/Pumps
This is the hottest topic of all, can anyone even begin to estimate the number of jobs in the oil industry, it is simply massive and they make or break nations, geo-politics, and differentiate developed or conflict nations. From oil exploration to drilling and mining to shipping and storage to refining and distribution to petrol pumps - it is simply mind-boggling. I cannot understand how EVs are going to replace this industry and where are humans going to find alternative energy to replace oil. Unless we find a Lithium deposit below earth similar to the Middle-East oil story from the 1970s - hoping the volume of Lithium deposits is the size of 3-4 states combined in India - I simply do not see how a 5 trillion $ industry can be closed down in 5-10 years. Unless someone invents a nuclear-powered car that can run on a spoonful of U235 for 25 years at a stretch…
https://www.team-bhp.com/news/effects-ev-transition-jobs-auto-industry
most of us will driving round in posh dizzy scooters living in 15 minute Citys and towns
Glad you saw the funny side 
Industries change continuously.
We find an invention that makes something more economical by employing fewer people, so we spend that money we save on something else that employs someone else.
As long as people still want personal transport to move them around at the and pay the same rate they currently do there will be roughly the same number of people employed in supporting them, whatever the fuel.
Not as fast as this, where are all the people who used to build the cars and supply the parts below going to find work?
Drivetrain
Starter motor/Alternator
Radiator/heat exchange
Spares/Ancillary units/Engine oil/lubricants/filters/Mechanics
Gujri/Scrap/recylcers
After-market tuners/Performance Spares/Accessories
Additives/Non OEM performance add ons
Bearings
Casting/Foundries
The Battery
Oil/Petroleum/Refining/Distribution/Pumps
We are being taken for a ride, https://www.energyvoice.com/renewab...r-condemns-wind-farms-for-overstating-output/
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Its crazy Rod, I mentioned this in the thread I go past two small wind farms on two different days every week and they rarely have all turbines working, parking turbines is a well known thing they need to invest in storing energy the turbines should rarely need to be parked.
not only do we pay to park our cars we the taxpayers pay to park turbines, these companys are cheating the system by over estimating how much they will generate
Nothing to do with a Labour Government. I worked in education for many years and my wife has always worked in NHS, both public sector and so would have been easy to add electric chargers for staff and / or patients. 14 years of Tory rule, did they lead the way by installing these chargers? Did they f###.
Honestly, who cares.
The same could’ve been said when ICE was introduced.
Think of the poor ostlers, cartwights, whelelrights, coaching Inn owners and associated staff, dung shovelers, hay salesman. Stuff changes, certain jobs become redundant to society.
I’ll make clear that my reply is slightly tongue in cheek and certainly not representative of my own views.
I’m sure that many who voice anti-immigration sentiment would gladly welcome an opportunity to retrain all these “native” workers to replace all the sponging foreigners currently employed in our social and healthcare sectors.
Not to mention all those exciting fruit picking opportunities!
Nobody is saying things don't change, it's speed of how they pushing this, surely if you are going to generate electricity from wind you build the storage first but no these dumb feckers do it backwards and then charge us Joe public for all the wasted energy
The big issues are
1. Power Line / Grid Capacity to move the Energy to where it is needed.
2. Getting a suitable connection to the Grid in the 1st place.
No Monster Pylons signs all down the A90.
Just like No National Park all over Dumfries and Galloway.
1. Power Line / Grid Capacity to move the Energy to where it is needed.
2. Getting a suitable connection to the Grid in the 1st place.
No Monster Pylons signs all down the A90.
Just like No National Park all over Dumfries and Galloway.
Who cares, I do for a start.
I don't know if you are taking the piss but how many hundreds of thousands are going to find themselves out of work and how many will find themselves on benefit, this rush to ban ICE was not needed it's just a number plucked out of thin air and the tax payers will end up paying again.
The transition from horses to automobiles took place over a period of about 40 years. ICE were derided as a novelty that couldn’t possibly be of mainstream use, much like early EV. If we consider that the release of the first gen Nissan leaf in 2010 signals the start of mainstream adoption I don’t think a full switch by 2030 to 2040 is unreasonable.
People are resistant to change and stick with what they know. My nephew is just finishing school and his parents are supporting him in pursuing an ICE mechanic apprenticeship. Wrong move imo, train now for EV so you’re prepared for the future, rather than playing catch up.
I agree there is a fundamental problem with storage of energy hence why I have been a supporter of green hydrogen. This process is well established but energy intensive BUT if you can't use or store the energy being generated and have pay for not generating surely it's a win win. The green hydrogen could be stored and used in gas fired power stations as a short to medium term solution until sold state batteries are commercially viable. The biggest problem with renewables is storing the energy to use on demand a gas turbine running on hydrogen or a blend of hydrogen is very reactive and can ramp up and down as required.
Successive governments have ignored this but the military have not and are trailing hydrogen power generation for use in the digital battle field.
Yes batteries or super capacitors etc will be the efficient long term solution but there is a short term answer staring them in the face
Successive governments have ignored this but the military have not and are trailing hydrogen power generation for use in the digital battle field.
Yes batteries or super capacitors etc will be the efficient long term solution but there is a short term answer staring them in the face
