Electric cars.

[Alastair70]

The problem is "your average" BEV is the BEV most of us are going to be able to afford.

The technology is the same across the ranges. 5 year old EV’s don’t get scrapped. On the contrary, they hold their value as well as any ICE.
I’d expect that if I’d spent 30k on an electric Kona (the only other car that met my range requirements in early 2020) I’d be getting 7.5-ish on the trade in.

If you’re looking for a chesp EV, I’ll sell you my old one for 10. Alternatively, the cheapest new car on the road at the minute is an EV, and it’s even less than that.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

the cheapest new car on the road at the minute is an EV.

What is it?

 

[Alastair70]

What is it?

Citroen Ami.
Or at least it was a couple of months back.

My new EV is going to cost a little bit more.
If anyone can offer a rational reason why an ICE would make more sense I’ll switch the order to the petrol

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Citroen Ami.
Or at least it was a couple of months back

I am not surprised.

 

[Alastair70]

I am not surprised.

Yes, but at the end of the day, if your going to make the argument about cost, EV’s win.

Needless to say, I’m not buying one of those.

 

[Nicks90]

https://www.carwow.co.uk/renault/news/5038/new-renault-5-electric-car-price-specs-release-date#gref
23 grand for a new leccy car is cheap, and it's good looking thing too. You can easily spend much more than that on a comparable Skoda or Hyundai ICE car and not get the benefits of cheap fuelling

 

[JockyBrewer]

So you can just stick a tenner in, how far will that go

My car will do around 4 miles per kWh. So the possibilities are as follows for a tenner:

At home on an overnight charging tariff (7p/kWh) = 571 miles
At home on a regular tariff (23p) = 173 miles
Cheapest public charging near me (45p) = 88 miles
Rapid charging near me (79p) = 50 miles

I think as more public charging points go in it’ll come down in price, particularly if they’re run by the local authority instead of a private company.

 

[Foggie]

I think the biggest issue against adoption of BEV tech in the rural setting is service and repair.
My nearest EV garage would be a 2 Hr drive away or should that be a recovery truck away.

No garage I've talked to are interested in investing in Electric Car Service & Support. Big list of reasons.... But most come down to
I can't get an apprentice (who is likely to stay in rural garage)
I'll be retired long before then

I suspect it was like this with heating engineers in the 70's with the big push to natural gas.

 

[Rodcx500z]

At home on an overnight charging tariff (7p/kWh) = 571 miles
At home on a regular tariff (23p) = 173 miles
Cheapest public charging near me (45p) = 88 miles
Rapid charging near me (79p) = 50 miles

So at the moment ice wins if you don't have or can't have home charging, were i live and i would say well over half the country home charging is never going to happen unless a substantial amount of money is spent, so with money that is being spent on a daily basis on things that should not be happening combined with a so called 22 billion black hole not to mention the NHS is falling to pieces local services are on their knees and the thickos in Government are wondering why Joe public won't buy a BEV, the only people i hear shouting about the wonders of these cars are those who can afford them and have home charging and they are few and far between, It's time to get realistic and start spending honest hard earned tax payers money on the things they promised to do and not on some fantasy pipe dream the government has

 

[Polcho]

Going back, I just wonder why the powers to be don't do things that would have a significant impact on clean electricity generation.

I mean, we have these targets for 300,000 or more houses a year to be built, with all the rhetoric around ' I'll make the councils allow building' etc.

Would it not be a good idea to make solar on the roofs of all these buildings mandatory, if they want planing permision?

With a guaranteed market for these panels and batteries, we would have investment into factories making all the parts etc.

Seems like a no brainer to me to be honest.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Government are wondering why Joe public won't buy a BEV,

There are 23 million ICE cars on UK roads and only 1 million BEV.

43% of UK homes do not have have off street parking.

Its no wonder the figures are so low and they will continue to be low until everyone who has not got off street parking has the means to charge where they live and the price of public charging is reduced.

 

[Rodcx500z]

There are 23 million ICE cars on UK roads and only 1 million BEV.
43% of UK homes do not have have off street parking.
Its no wonder the figures are so low and they will continue to be low until everyone who has not got off street parking has the means to charge where they live and the price of public charging is reduced.

Even these won't work our street 13 houses 6 spaces, that is if you can beat the office workers and people who come to town to shop,

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Even these won't work our street 13 houses 6 spaces, that is if you can beat the office workers and people who come to town to shop,

There will always be places where home charging will be a challenge but the majority of us will only need to charge a couple of times a week so if street parking like in the video is available i am sure most of us would be fine.

 

[Polcho]

Again, its the shortsightedness of governments. It's clear it's the way it's going, but they give no thought to the situation.

Al lot of people go to work and park in the car park there.

The govenment could easily just say that 20xx all companies with car parks are required to have x number of chargers fitted.

They could either make the units and fitting tax free, give insentives or something, but no.

Easy to slap a nice NI tax on firms though, these people are either not capable of organising/thinking about pratical stuff, or are just thick.

 

[Rodcx500z]

They are stupid and have no idea how ordinary every day life works, people like Raynor with her back ground could tell them it's what it's to struggle but, no she has compleatly forgotten her roots and is enjoying the high life

 

[Cwrw666]

With regards to servicing and repairs. Not many on this forum live more rural than I do. I get my diesel repaired at my local garage 3 miles away. They have a fully trained BEV mechanic. On the same industrial estate is a fully electric sales/repair place as well. Same village has 4 chargers on the car park.
Our next car will be electric though I'm hoping the current diesel will survive a few more years.