This is the electric bike for you Gunge. 0-60mph in 3.3 seconds and a range of 197 miles. So what, if it sounds like a sewing machine.
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Nope don't like it; it's electric - no soul, no character, no noise, no smell. It's a washing machine on wheels. My motorbike's range is just a tad better, as is 0-60 ( as if that counted for anything). Some of us are born petrol-heads and nuthin' gonna change that! There is no good reason to.
Must admit I like oil lamps and candlelight, electric lights just don't have the same character:whistle:
That's the spirit! Meanwhile, I've got to ask why does everyone assume motorcyclists are obsessed with speed? Freaks me out no end when some geezer asks "if I watched the racing" just cos I ride a motorbike. "No, did you see the last issue of **** Weekly"? Christ I hate sport in general and racing in particular!
Dutto
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Sorry, but I've just got this image of someone riding an electric bike with a lollipop stick strapped to the front forks so that he can listen to the "Brrrrrr!" of a real bike when it hits the spokes! :lol: :lol:
The under 40's probably don't know what you're on about.:)
The BMW i8 above plays a soundtrack that makes you think its a V8 accelerating a bit liker a modern day lolly stick on the bike wheel spokes.
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Norfolk79
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druid
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LMAO!!!!! Thanks for that. I just spat a mouthful of my dark ale on my puter screen...
Havent laughed like that in awhile...
Soton
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I think evolution will or would have taken us to the electric car even without government intervention if..............we can produce enough electricity to power our homes and businesses and also have enough spare capacity to power millions of cars, at the moment we struggle to produce enough energy for our currant needs
I can see an irony developing where we need all the fracking of shale gas we can handle just to produce enough energy to keep half the cars on the road, I'm not much of a cynic but it could be that government wise the electric car and fracking will have to go hand in hand!
I can see an irony developing where we need all the fracking of shale gas we can handle just to produce enough energy to keep half the cars on the road, I'm not much of a cynic but it could be that government wise the electric car and fracking will have to go hand in hand!
Thinking about it some more Dutto, Health and Safety wouldn't allow the lollipop sticks unless they were certified and colour coded:whistle:
As an alternative I'm sure you must be able to get an app that makes the same noise, much safer:whistle:
It'll be a grand scale fiasco regarding the batteries...a few years ago in work we developed components for the construction of hydrogen cell batteries for a big technology company...all very expensive stuff and hush hush....you can bet swapping out a battery isn't going to happen. They can't even standardise phone chargers...yet. I also agree...where is all the extra electricity going to come from? Another arse about tit bunch of thinking. It's funny how air pollution is a big no no yet filling the ground full of dangerous chemicals to extract gas is fine...
Dutto
Landlord.
Whoa there!
The NIMBY brigade are out in force with regard to ANYTHING to do with wind-farms or fracking; especially fracking!
I have never heard so many people spout so much rubbish as I have heard with regard to fracking so please allow me to put forward some genuine information.
1. Fracking has been going on in the UK for 45 years to MY sure and certain knowledge.
2. Most fracking is carried out using hydraulic pressure and NOT chemicals.
3. ALL fracking occurs at a depth that is much deeper than the aquifer layers.
4. A Well (be it for gas or for oil) in the UK is designed specifically for the job it is supposed to do.
5. The Well design has to be passed by a government agency that is acting on behalf of the UK and NOT the oil company.
6. YES, like all activities, there is an element of risk in drilling a well but in the UK we have an enviable record of doing it right.
7. Natural gas or methane (also called Marsh Gas and Mine Damp) is trapped deep in the earth below the UK within layers of coal and oil shales.
8. To extract the methane the layers of have to be broken up in order to allow the methane to escape. The method most often used to break up the layers is called "hydraulic fracturing" whereby high pressure water is pumped into the layer. The water generally contains a "proppant" (small glass beads) that ensures the hole doesn't collapse and seal itself when the pressure is removed.
9. The layers that contain the methane may be over 5,000 metres below ground whereas the aquifers from which we generally take our water supply can be as shallow as 30 metres.
10. The wells are lined with different sized steel pipes called "casings" from the surface until such time as they reach the layer that is to be fractured. (The well looks like an inverted telescope.) The casings are cemented into each other so that a leak in one casing will not migrate sideways to the surrounding earth (or aquifer) but will be contained within the next set of casing. The casings themselves are monitored on the surface where any leak can be identified and cured.
10. The very first shale gas well was drilled in the UK in 1875.
11. In America, 54% of their natural gas comes from fracking and in the UK (as of December 2014) there was NO commercial production.
Yet again, we are dependent upon our neighbours; this time for gas.
Remember 2014 when David Cameron was PM and said "fracking has real potential to drive energy bills down"?
The response from industry and government was that fracking in the UK alone will not lower prices as the UK was part of a well connected European market.
That was pre-Brexit of course so maybe voting "Leave" was also a vote for Fracking! :whistle:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale_gas_in_the_United_Kingdom
The NIMBY brigade are out in force with regard to ANYTHING to do with wind-farms or fracking; especially fracking!
I have never heard so many people spout so much rubbish as I have heard with regard to fracking so please allow me to put forward some genuine information.
1. Fracking has been going on in the UK for 45 years to MY sure and certain knowledge.
2. Most fracking is carried out using hydraulic pressure and NOT chemicals.
3. ALL fracking occurs at a depth that is much deeper than the aquifer layers.
4. A Well (be it for gas or for oil) in the UK is designed specifically for the job it is supposed to do.
5. The Well design has to be passed by a government agency that is acting on behalf of the UK and NOT the oil company.
6. YES, like all activities, there is an element of risk in drilling a well but in the UK we have an enviable record of doing it right.
7. Natural gas or methane (also called Marsh Gas and Mine Damp) is trapped deep in the earth below the UK within layers of coal and oil shales.
8. To extract the methane the layers of have to be broken up in order to allow the methane to escape. The method most often used to break up the layers is called "hydraulic fracturing" whereby high pressure water is pumped into the layer. The water generally contains a "proppant" (small glass beads) that ensures the hole doesn't collapse and seal itself when the pressure is removed.
9. The layers that contain the methane may be over 5,000 metres below ground whereas the aquifers from which we generally take our water supply can be as shallow as 30 metres.
10. The wells are lined with different sized steel pipes called "casings" from the surface until such time as they reach the layer that is to be fractured. (The well looks like an inverted telescope.) The casings are cemented into each other so that a leak in one casing will not migrate sideways to the surrounding earth (or aquifer) but will be contained within the next set of casing. The casings themselves are monitored on the surface where any leak can be identified and cured.
10. The very first shale gas well was drilled in the UK in 1875.
11. In America, 54% of their natural gas comes from fracking and in the UK (as of December 2014) there was NO commercial production.
Yet again, we are dependent upon our neighbours; this time for gas.
Remember 2014 when David Cameron was PM and said "fracking has real potential to drive energy bills down"?
The response from industry and government was that fracking in the UK alone will not lower prices as the UK was part of a well connected European market.
That was pre-Brexit of course so maybe voting "Leave" was also a vote for Fracking! :whistle:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale_gas_in_the_United_Kingdom
Hi Dutto, we're going to have to disagree on a couple of points here, especially as I've got a Schlumberger guy sat next to me.
1. Not one I've got knowledge on.
2. Chemicals are always used.
3. True
4. True
5. I've met with these government agencies and they've all been desk jockeys who don't have any real knowledge of the industry. I'm also not convinced that the government always act on behalf of the people.
6. True.
7. True
8. True, with additional chemicals.
9. True
10. Oil/gas can migrate up the outside of the casing all the way to the surface, as you mention the casing is like an extended telescope so at the bottom end it's only a single casing (6 3/8" if my memory serves me correctly) Working offshore I've seen a lot of wells that have and do leak so that hydrocarbons come out of the seabed close to wells.
11. Possibly correct, I've not researched it.
Was that the same David Cameron who wanted fracking all over the country but strangely there was no licence issued for Wistow, his seat at the time. Now that's what I call a NIMBY.
Ok....perhaps my knowledge on fracking is poor....but I don't trust them or it.
The gas extracted will be sold....whether here or abroad,to the highest bidders. Then the industry will. ..
The gas extracted will be sold....whether here or abroad,to the highest bidders. Then the industry will. ..
simon12
Landlord.
As for the extra energy required for electric cars I think we would have enough at the moment is they are charged at night when consumption is much lower in everything else, and charging points could have batteries charged at this time aswell. Also small home solar could be more appealing if you can run a car for free. Even if we burn't fossil fuels to get the extra power it would be slightly more efficient and less polluting than burning them in cars. The real problems are how practical and expensive the cars are. Also there are many houses like mine with no driveway or dedicated parking on the road so I have no idea how I could ever have an electric car and charge it.
As the majority of us live in terraced streets they are going to have to come up with a solution, making lampposts charging stations has already been mentioned and is currently happening but as we don't all have one outside our homes its not rally a solution, maybe companies could get some kind of incentive to provide charging bays at work as most of us are stuck there 8 hours a day.
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Maybe solar panels can be added into to the cars themselves, at the point of the headlights as well so could slowly recharge during night travel, as a lot of companies will not allow their electricity to be used a lot won't even allow phone charging let alone the amount that cars would require.
Could even using two battries that dynamo charging the second will other is use etc, there's lots of ways to keep it running without a charge. When idle for long periods that's the issue unless something like inbuilt solar panels that can top up the battery daily.
...like that car from Logans Run....remember that?
