Drink beer if you're vegan

[MyQul]

I've been vegetarian for about 25 years as well as off and on vegan during that time. Recently I've been thinking about committing to being vegan. One of my concerns was about getting all the vitamins and minerals I need to function (and do my 120 mile weekly commute). One type of vitamin that vegans can be deficient in is vitamin B12. . Nutritional yeast is touted as a suppliment that should be taken if deficient in vitiamin B12. But I dont like taking vitamins. Marmite is also a good souce of B vitamins, but I hate the stuff. Happily beer is packed full of B12 and a 330m l bottle contains about 12% of recommended daily amount needed.

https://www.medicaldaily.com/4-heal...n-and-protein-are-there-dont-overdo-it-258658

 

[Drunkula]

How do you stand on isinglass and veganism? A lot of vegans aren't against it because fish aren't killed for isinglass and it's a by-product. This only assumed you're a vegan for those sort of reasons. My one mate is a vegan because a girl he only went out with for a few weeks said he was a cave man and couldn't give up meat and he just kept doing it.

 

[MrRook]

One of my concerns was about getting all the vitamins and minerals I need to function.

Perhaps a rethink of the whole vegan business is called for.

 

[MyQul]

How do you stand on isinglass and veganism? A lot of vegans aren't against it because fish aren't killed for isinglass and it's a by-product. This only assumed you're a vegan for those sort of reasons. My one mate is a vegan because a girl he only went out with for a few weeks said he was a cave man and couldn't give up meat and he just kept doing it.

I only add non animal products to my beer and never fine it. Nowadays most breweries dont add isinglass. Even Guinness has stopped using it

 

[MyQul]

Perhaps a rethink of the whole vegan business is called for.

Why? It's quite easy to get all the vitamins and nutrients you need from plant based sources if you do your research.

 

[Rodcx500z]

Here is my take on being vegan, most large animals ie lions , tiger's, bears and loads of others, eagles and most birds of prey, are not vegan so what is the problem with eating meat, they would eat you given the chance

 

[Drunkula]

so what is the problem with eating meat, they would eat you given the chance

How many tigers and eagles do you eat a week?

 

[MyQul]

Here is my take on being vegan, most large animals ie lions , tiger's, bears and loads of others, eagles and most birds of prey, are not vegan so what is the problem with eating meat, they would eat you given the chance

Those large animal are hunter (gathers) like we we once. We then developed farming (some say this was driven by the desire to produce lots and lots of beer!). We've evolved. We now have a choice. Those large animals don't

 

[Clint]

I'm a vegetabletarian...except for steak,bacon,sausages and chicken tikka...oh and kebabs.

 

[foxy]

I have a son who is vegan, it's a real pain in the **** having to cook 2 kinds of meals for a family get together. Does a vegan ever consider plants don't want to be eaten either? A good documentary to watch is 'The intelligence of plants'. With the worlds phosphate almost depleted Monash University has been studying the effect of a world without phosphate, thousands of plants are in the study. The plants are dwarfed and the cyanide levels increase in an attempt to survive. Sorghum can produce enough cyanide to kill a cow, I am now stock piling phosphate.

 

[chthon]

My biggest gripe with veganism is that these people apparently do not realise, if you do not use any product from chickens, cows and pigs, that veganism means that these (human evolved) animals should become extinct.

A chicken will lay eggs, what should be done with those eggs, throw them away? A cow must be milked every day, or it will die.

 

[foxy]

My biggest gripe with veganism is that these people apparently do not realise, if you do not use any product from chickens, cows and pigs, that veganism means that these (human evolved) animals should become extinct.

A chicken will lay eggs, what should be done with those eggs, throw them away? A cow must be milked every day, or it will die.

Its like a religion, my Grand daughter is being brought up as a vegan she saw butter in our fridge and told me she really liked butter and while her father wasn't watching spread some on a slice of bread and ate it. If we had stayed in the trees and pursued the vegan path I doubt very much we would be on a computer communicating with each other.

 

[MyQul]

My biggest gripe with veganism is that these people apparently do not realise, if you do not use any product from chickens, cows and pigs, that veganism means that these (human evolved) animals should become extinct.

A chicken will lay eggs, what should be done with those eggs, throw them away? A cow must be milked every day, or it will die.

My biggest gripe with non vegans is that they assume that vegans are vegan all for the same reason (ethical). I'm considering veganism for health reasons alone. I'm quite happy for others to eat meat if they choose do so. It's like saying unless tea totallers start drinking beer all the farmland used for barley and hop growing will have to be left to go back to it's natural and original state (a massive forest in the case of the UK), so they better start drinking beer sharpish!

 

[MyQul]

I have a son who is vegan, it's a real pain in the a**e having to cook 2 kinds of meals for a family get together. Does a vegan ever consider plants don't want to be eaten either? A good documentary to watch is 'The intelligence of plants'. With the worlds phosphate almost depleted Monash University has been studying the effect of a world without phosphate, thousands of plants are in the study. The plants are dwarfed and the cyanide levels increase in an attempt to survive. Sorghum can produce enough cyanide to kill a cow, I am now stock piling phosphate.

No organism wants to be destroyed. It's just that some have to, to ensure the survival of others. You're making and assumption that vegans dont want to eat meat because they do not wish to kill animals (some are vegan for this reason of course)

 

[MyQul]

Its like a religion, my Grand daughter is being brought up as a vegan she saw butter in our fridge and told me she really liked butter and while her father wasn't watching spread some on a slice of bread and ate it. If we had stayed in the trees and pursued the vegan path I doubt very much we would be on a computer communicating with each other.

I don't believe children should be forced to grow up vegan/vegetarian. If they chose to do so, then they should be supported in this, which is a different matter entirely.

 

[marshbrewer]

I believe that people should just be left alone to eat what they like, and if that happens to be a vegan diet, good for them.

However, can we just clear something up about agriculture? It has long been the case that any land of sufficient grade that could profitability grow crops that can be sold directly was ploughed up and has been pressed into use long ago (most of this happened in the 70's, I remember all of the grassland here disappearing around then). So if meat consumption stopped tomorrow, don't assume that the land in use could realistically be put into use as arable land, much if it isn't suitable for one reason or another, otherwise it would almost certainly already be under the plough. There are some exceptions, if course; some grassland is protected by regulations, and some of that could possibly be used for crop production if those regulations were done away with, but not much. Certainly where you see sheep being the predominant animal being farmed, the land under them is very low grade.

I'll go away and stop boring every one to death now.

 

[Leon103]

I am a vegan. The beef I eat is from cows that stand in fields all day eating grass so it's a vegan cow

 

[Drunkula]

If you eat meat do it and stop making up pathetic excuses - just own it. All the defenses sound like this:

* I hit my kids because somebody else hits their kids and my dad hit me.
* If I didn't have a secret cellar I keep my kids locked up in so I can torture them I'd have not bothered to have kids. They're lucky I always wanted to torture kids.
* I like picking scabs so I have to keep cutting my cellar-dwellers so I've got a good supply of scabs to pick. If I didn't like picking scabs then I wouldn't give them antibiotics and they'd die.
* And you get the idea with that. I hope.

I eat meat and drink milk because I'm a selfish ****.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I believe that people should just be left alone to eat what they like, and if that happens to be a vegan diet, good for them.

Spot on jjsh i have never understood why some meat eaters are so critical of those that do not want to eat meat for whatever reason.

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[Chippy_Tea]

@MyQul would a multivitamin do the job?

I take this one daily and have for years.



Ingredients
Calcium Carbonate, Ascorbic Acid, Maltodextrin, Ferrous Fumarate, Cellulose, Vitamin E Acetate, Hydroxypropylmethylcellulose, Calcium Pantothenate, Modified Maize Starch, Silicon Dioxide, Acacia, Maize Starch, Thiamine Mononitrate, Colours (Titanium Dioxide, Iron Oxide), Magnesium Stearate, Stearic Acid, Vitamin A Acetate, Talc, Sucrose, Triglycerides, Antioxidant (Tocopherol), Vitamin D3

Vitamin A 800 µg RE
Vitamin D 5 µg
Vitamin E 10 mg α-TE
Vitamin C 60 mg
Thiamin
(Vitamin B1) 1.4 mg
Pantothenic Acid 6 mg
Iron 14 mg