Decoding the yeast wheel

[Pennine]

I was looking over the yeast wheel from suregorks website located here.
https://beer.suregork.com/?p=4112
I am not sure I understand the relationships between the yeasts that are illustrated on the graph. For example in the screenshot below would I assume Vermont(Conan) is a sibling, parent, or 2nd cousin to 002(Fullers)? And is there any important information to understand from this relationship? Specifically related to creating a mixed culture house yeast.

 

[Sadfield]

https://beermaverick.com/the-complete-guide-to-the-conan-strain-of-yeast/
Yeasts travel, get borrowed or swapped.

 

[Pennine]

https://beermaverick.com/the-complete-guide-to-the-conan-strain-of-yeast/

Yes well that's the interesting thing, it directs us below but 1098 and S-04 are far away on the yeast wheel from 007/002 and Vermont?

Unfortunately, the actual family tree of this yeast is unknown, beyond that it has its origins in the United Kingdom. Internet sleuths have surmised that it’s roots came from the Whitbread B group of yeasts originating from Fuller’s Brewery, but most of that is speculation. Whitbread B is the strain known as Wyeast 1098, White Labs WLP007, and Fermentis S-04. Others have guessed that it came from the Boddington strain, but I am not convinced of that yet.

 

[Sadfield]

If Vermont is also related to WY1332, then this might be part of the link. Perhaps Fuller's had a relationship or shared source of yeast that preceded the 2005 buyout.

Originating from the Hales Brewery in Seattle via the Gales Brewery in the UK. The Northwest ale strain is great for the production of most American style ales, only this strain will highlight the malt charchter and naturally occuring fruitiness in your beer.

https://www.morebeer.com/products/w...les Brewery,occuring fruitiness in your beer.

 

[Pennine]

If Vermont is also related to WY1332, then this might be part of the link. Perhaps Fuller's had a relationship or shared source of yeast that preceded the 2005 buyout.

https://www.morebeer.com/products/w...les Brewery,occuring fruitiness in your beer.

If Vermont is also related to WY1332, then this might be part of the link. Perhaps Fuller's had a relationship or shared source of yeast that preceded the 2005 buyout.

https://www.morebeer.com/products/w...les Brewery,occuring fruitiness in your beer.

It also looks like it has similar characteristics of 1272 which is the anchor ale yeast. Very interesting.

 

[Sadfield]

It also looks like it has similar characteristics of 1272 which is the anchor ale yeast. Very interesting.

Yes, I was going to say that. I think I read somewhere that they too used a British ale yeast on some beers (Liberty Ale, Old Foghorn), possibly on Michael Jackson's Beerhunter blog, but couldn't find the link.

 

[Pennine]

Here is an interesting article from fullers about the two yeasts which seem to be different.

https://www.fullers.co.uk/blog/beer-articles/yeast

 

[Sadfield]

I'd still be inclined to believe they could be genetically similar though. I'm nothing like my brother.

 

[Sadfield]

Yes, I was going to say that. I think I read somewhere that they too used a British ale yeast on some beers (Liberty Ale, Old Foghorn), possibly on Michael Jackson's Beerhunter blog, but couldn't find the link.

Found it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...t-brews-now-available-in-britain-1531013.html

 

[dmtaylor]

would I assume Vermont(Conan) is a sibling, parent, or 2nd cousin to 002(Fullers)?

They are very distant cousins. Likely not much more closely related as I am to someone 12-13 generations ago landing in North America on the Mayflower.

 

[Pennine]

They are very distant cousins. Likely not much more closely related as I am to someone 12-13 generations ago landing in North America on the Mayflower.

So essentially there are minimal similarities to understand between the yeast on the wheel? Guess I am back to just going through the list and trying them all out.