Crossmyloof

[The Baron]

No, not unless CML - or whoever the copyright owner is - OKed it as otherwise it's a blatant breach of copyright law and prudent bulletin board owners stay well clear of that sort of thing for fear of the legal implications.

Fully aware of that I was asking Chippy if it is ok to post it before going to Steve and asking him.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Edited post #128 -

I have posted this to show what using the snipping tool looks like i have removed most of the recipe so as not to get into issues with copyright -

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Fully aware of that I was asking Chippy if it is ok to post it before going to Steve and asking him.

@The Baron - I don't see any problem posting the recipes in a single thread if they say its OK to do so, are you going to contact them?

 

[The Baron]

I have already sent a email to Steve so hopefully a reply will happen in the next couple of days

 

[Larse]

@The Baron - I don't see any problem posting the recipes in a single thread if they say its OK to do so, are you going to contact them?

If they're going to give the OK, probably best if they supply the text. They'll have it in a handy to use format from the website database.

 

[DocAnna]

I have already sent a email to Steve so hopefully a reply will happen in the next couple of days

I have a site replicator back at home (currently in Orkney) which I could point at their recipe section if it would help. It can replicate a site offline, with or without graphics, so could automate the process of copying them. I won’t be back till later in November though.

 

[The Baron]

Thanks Anna I will let you know if Steve says it is ok for us to do

 

[Dark Arts]

Don't think you can copyright a recipe, at least you can't copyright a food recipe and this is technically food, but I think it would be bad manners if

A: you didn't ask
B: give them the credit when posting the recipe

 

[The Baron]

I have spoken to Steve at Crossmyloof and he has informed me that the company is in the process of a possible purchase with a client.
If it goes through and this may take a month or so the recipes will be still available if the sale does not go through and the company is closed he is happy for us to archive the recipes for future reference.
He also said that the website is paid up for quite a while yet so it is not imminent that they will disappear.
He would also like to thank all our members for their patronage custom and kind words since announcing the impending retirement.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Thread open.

Thanks for the heads up, fingers crossed the sale goes through.

 

[Northern_Brewer]

Don't think you can copyright a recipe, at least you can't copyright a food recipe and this is technically food, but I think it would be bad manners

It's hard to copyright a list of ingredients ("30g of Citra, 20g of Mosaic") but the method ("add at 10 minutes") and other stuff ("I visited the Timbuktu brewery and was given this recipe by the head brewer Fred") very much are subject to copyright.

And then there's a more general thing of not being a dick.

 

[Agentgonzo]

Don't think you can copyright a recipe

Any piece of creative work can be copyrighted. This includes a poem, Limerick, song or even a recipe. You implicitly own the copyright for anything you create. This includes recipes. Recipe books have copyright notices on them for this exact reason.

 

[Sadfield]

If you want the recipes to keep for posterity, why not just print them to .Pdf?

or just save this link to waybackmachine

https://web.archive.org/web/20240614110759/https://www.crossmyloofbrew.co.uk/beer-recipes

 

[Agentgonzo]

And then there's a more general thing of not being a dick

It's amazing how many people find this simple instruction so hard to follow

 

[Dark Arts]

Any piece of creative work can be copyrighted.

"Copyright law doesn’t protect the list of ingredients in a recipe" it's the method that you can possibly make claim to? I watched a cookery guy explaining how recipes can't be copyrighted, basically who's to say who's granny came up with the recipe first etc etc besides copyright only comes into affect if you sell it, ie I make a 100% copy of something for personal use then I'm fine, the moment I sell it I'm f@#ked.

Anyway this is by the by, I hope CML lives on via a new owner and who ever runs the business is as good as they have been.

 

[Benfleet Brewery]

He would also like to thank all our members for their patronage custom and kind words since announcing the impending retirement.

And there were very many kind words even before the retirement announcment too

 

[foxy]

Don't think you can copyright a recipe, at least you can't copyright a food recipe and this is technically food, but I think it would be bad manners if

A: you didn't ask
B: give them the credit when posting the recipe

Intellectual property covers basically anything, I got a three page letter from a solicitor which would have cost the complainant a bit of money. But is it worth the cost of going to civil court and arguing the case of course not. The area is far too grey..

 

[RichardM]

"Copyright law doesn’t protect the list of ingredients in a recipe" it's the method that you can possibly make claim to? I watched a cookery guy explaining how recipes can't be copyrighted, basically who's to say who's granny came up with the recipe first etc etc besides copyright only comes into affect if you sell it, ie I make a 100% copy of something for personal use then I'm fine, the moment I sell it I'm f@#ked.

Anyway this is by the by, I hope CML lives on via a new owner and who ever runs the business is as good as they have been.

I think you mistaken in your understanding of copyright law. Copyright exists as soon as the intellectual property in question comes in to existence. If you make a copy you are infringing that copyright, whether or not you are making money.

 

[Donegal john]

Another thread that’s got away from itself lol

 

[Northern_Brewer]

"Copyright law doesn’t protect the list of ingredients in a recipe" it's the method that you can possibly make claim to? I watched a cookery guy explaining how recipes can't be copyrighted, basically who's to say who's granny came up with the recipe first etc etc besides copyright only comes into affect if you sell it, ie I make a 100% copy of something for personal use then I'm fine, the moment I sell it I'm f@#ked.

The cookery guy should stick to cooking, as this is wrong on both counts. Here's the view from an actual lawyer :
https://www.london-law.co.uk/ive-developed-a-sensational-new-recipe-can-i-copyright-it/

In this case it's pretty clear that the text is from CML, and if a recipe is using things like Citra that have been available for <20 years then it can't be out of copyright.

And in this case THBF could be considered to be making money by selling ads etc on pages where the recipes were displayed.

But copyright can still apply without money being made, taking 100% of CML's recipes even for non-profit would be considered not "fair dealing" and so copyright would still apply.

Anyway, regardless of the legal position - don't be a dick.