COP26

[foxy]

Foxy is that what its now come to,???

The rule of the jungle,???

I do however agree that all this "carbon trading" is crap absolute utter crap.
People and business need to thrive or die.

Every living thing on this planet of ours shares one thing. The will to survive. We think we have come a long way since we evolved from the trees, but it is only just under the surface for us to revert back to the law of the jungle.

 

[Hanglow]

Should probably drink less of that jungle juice foxy.

On climate change, fossil fuel use etc, the best reason not to use easily accessible fossil fuels isn't that they cause climate change, but that if the human population suffers a serious worldwide event like WW3, a proper plague ( not this conference level covid stuff) or some other mass event like an asteroid strike or continental shelf collapse, we would need those easily accessible fuels to kick start human advancement again. At the moment we easily have the technology to not use the vast majority of them, so why use up something finite when we don't have to?

 

[moto748]

Maybe in twenty years time we will have carbon-capture technology sorted (and research into that should obviously continue), and we will certainly need oil, and probably coal too, for their by-products, if not for fuel, into the foreseeable future. None of which means we shouldn't move heaven and earth to reduce our carbon footprint now.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Maybe in twenty years time we will have carbon-capture technology sorted (and research into that should obviously continue), and we will certainly need oil, and probably coal too, for their by-products, if not for fuel, into the foreseeable future.

I agree and think in 20 years time there will be a lot less people eating meat and eventually the majority will have change their diet and farming will look a lot different to how it does now.


Agriculture is responsible for an estimated 14 percent of the world's greenhouse gases. A significant portion of these emissions come from methane, which, in terms of its contribution to global warming, is 23 times more powerful than carbon dioxide. The U.S. Food and Agriculture Organization says that agricultural methane output could increase by 60 percent by 2030 [Source: Times Online]. The world's 1.5 billion cows and billions of other grazing animals emit dozens of polluting gases, including lots of methane. Two-thirds of all ammonia comes from cows.

Cows emit a massive amount of methane through belching, with a lesser amount through flatulence. Statistics vary regarding how much methane the average dairy cow expels. Some experts say 100 liters to 200 litres a day , while others say it's up to 500 litres a day. In any case, that's a lot of methane, an amount comparable to the pollution produced by a car in a day.

Full article - Do cows pollute as much as cars?

 

[Irishwizard]

I agree and think in 20 years time there will be a lot less people eating meat and eventually the majority will have change their diet and farming will look a lot different to how it does now.


Agriculture is responsible for an estimated 14 percent of the world's greenhouse gases. A significant portion of these emissions come from methane, which, in terms of its contribution to global warming, is 23 times more powerful than carbon dioxide. The U.S. Food and Agriculture Organization says that agricultural methane output could increase by 60 percent by 2030 [Source: Times Online]. The world's 1.5 billion cows and billions of other grazing animals emit dozens of polluting gases, including lots of methane. Two-thirds of all ammonia comes from cows.

Cows emit a massive amount of methane through belching, with a lesser amount through flatulence. Statistics vary regarding how much methane the average dairy cow expels. Some experts say 100 liters to 200 litres a day , while others say it's up to 500 litres a day. In any case, that's a lot of methane, an amount comparable to the pollution produced by a car in a day.

Full article - Do cows pollute as much as cars?

But you can spread all their crap on the fields and grow more vegetables - get a grip Chippy

 

[Chippy_Tea]

But you can spread all their crap on the fields and grow more vegetables - get a grip Chippy

Maybe its you that needs to get a grip.

The majority of Gardeners don't use cow **** to make their plants grow they use synthetic fertilizers which are made up of nitrogen, phosphorous, and potassium compounds with secondary nutrients added so as we rely less on cows for meat (and fertiliser) we will switch to synthetic instead.
The use of synthetic fertilizers has significantly improved the quality and quantity of the food available today, although their long-term use is debated by environmentalists.

How to create fertility without buying fertiliser.
https://rootsofnature.co.uk/fertility-without-buying-fertiliser/

 

[Bernie]

The source of methane in the atmosphere is subjective. It comes from the anaerobic decomposition of organic matter, which can be:
1 grasslands, forests and peat bogs
2 Ploughed in vegetable matter
3 mineral sources that release from ancient organic matter
4 Landfill and sewage


Ammonia is only a trace gas in the atmosphere since it dissolves very quickly in water.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

 

[Irishwizard]

Chippy - I was being sarcastic - chill

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I was being sarcastic

You really didn't need to point that out!

 

[Crappyfish]

I agree and think in 20 years time there will be a lot less people eating meat and eventually the majority will have change their diet and farming will look a lot different to how it does now.


Agriculture is responsible for an estimated 14 percent of the world's greenhouse gases. A significant portion of these emissions come from methane, which, in terms of its contribution to global warming, is 23 times more powerful than carbon dioxide. The U.S. Food and Agriculture Organization says that agricultural methane output could increase by 60 percent by 2030 [Source: Times Online]. The world's 1.5 billion cows and billions of other grazing animals emit dozens of polluting gases, including lots of methane. Two-thirds of all ammonia comes from cows.

Cows emit a massive amount of methane through belching, with a lesser amount through flatulence. Statistics vary regarding how much methane the average dairy cow expels. Some experts say 100 liters to 200 litres a day , while others say it's up to 500 litres a day. In any case, that's a lot of methane, an amount comparable to the pollution produced by a car in a day.

Full article - Do cows pollute as much as cars?

More people will eat less meat it could be more to do with cost than environment issues.

 

[foxy]

They can grow meat now as well. (cultured meat)

 

[Benfleet Brewery]

 

[johncrobinson]

Nice one Benfleet,

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Castrol R now that takes me back.

 

[johncrobinson]

There really is a nice smell to castor oil lubricated engines.

The problem is it "gums" up if left in the engine for too long.

 

[m_kc]

Go back millions of years..to the time of the dinosaurs. Before the seasons were established when it was summer or sub tropical all over the earth,when the poles had forests and volcanic activity across the globe was huge,spewing billions of tons of c0 gasses into the atmosphere. Was this global warming? Did the increased c0 gasses contribute to the massive forests which then increased oxygen levels enabling super size animals? Who knows..?

You're right it was global warming, but life had time to adjust as it happened on a much larger timescale. There was a great program on BBC world service on Sunday mornings recently looking at how geochemistry shaped are lives. There will be something that will takes advantage of our increase in CO2, but at the same time its happening at much quicker than we and lots of ecosystems can adapt to, thats the problem. I think the past global events as evidence we're just in another natural cycle is a bit old.