Citra - Where can I buy?

[xozzx]

I cant seem to find citra hops from any of my usual places, everywhere sold out. Is there a shortage this year?

I did find one place, can't remember which but was about £7 / 100g. Im needing 500g, anyone know somewhere with stock and not crazy prices?

If not any recommendations for an alternative.

Cheers all

 

[foxbat]

2017 Citra seems to be in good supply this year. Examples:

Crossmyloof
Geterbrewed
Brewuk

 

[dan125]

Maltmiller has them for £6.50 per 100g and you get a 10% discount if you order 5

 

[IainM]

I can vouch for the Geterbrewd ones. Sometimes the super-punchy American hops supplied by homebrew suppliers are anything but, but the 2017 GEB citra worked a treat in my Zombie Dust clone and subsequent brews, with the aroma persisting for months.

 

[Sadfield]

+1 for Geterbrewed. I bought some Citra when 2015 1kg bulk packs were on sale at the end of 2016. Vac packed and frozen, I used some on the last brew and they were still spot on.

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[dan125]

Interesting - I was dissappointed with some 2017 simcoe I got from them. It was a bit cheesy and really lacked that punch. Sounds like the citra is better though

 

[MickDundee]

I bought it at Maltmiller last week

 

[simon12]

£136.10 for 5Kg (27.22 per Kg) if anyone want to organise a group buy https://www.simplyhops.com/hops/whole-hops/american

 

[Jakeyboi]

do you get the same amount of flavour/aroma/bittering from 100g of leaf hops compared to 100g of pellet hops?

 

[MickDundee]

do you get the same amount of flavour/aroma/bittering from 100g of leaf hops compared to 100g of pellet hops?

No, pellets have slightly better utilisation.

 

[MyQul]

do you get the same amount of flavour/aroma/bittering from 100g of leaf hops compared to 100g of pellet hops?

Wot mick said but some breweries reckon they get better flavour from leaf (personally I prefer pellets as theirs less debris at the end of the boil and they dont absorb as much wort)

 

[Sadfield]

There are two types of pellet T90 and T45. The numbers refer to the percentage of the whole hop flowers that ends up in the pellet, with the lost material being the strig and green leafy outer bracts. So in theory you should get more flavour per weight from pellets as they have less of the leafy green material in relation to the desirable Lupulin glands. With T45 being superior to T90. Although as @MyQul mentions, I think some brewers prefer the extra grassy, green part of whole hops in late kettle additions. Personally, I find pellets far better for dry hopping.

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[divrack]

£136.10 for 5Kg (27.22 per Kg) if anyone want to organise a group buy https://www.simplyhops.com/hops/whole-hops/american

https://brookhousehops.com/product/amarillo-2/
I'm thinking of getting Amarillo or centennial from here, they have 2017 citra pellets for 25 quid.
I would definitely be up for doing a group on both.

 

[simon12]

https://brookhousehops.com/product/amarillo-2/
I'm thinking of getting Amarillo or centennial from here, they have 2017 citra pellets for 25 quid.
I would definitely be up for doing a group on both.

Nice find, I never heard of them before but note the citra pellets say out of stock but they do have the leaf @ £22.37

 

[Sadfield]

Bit odd they price per Kg but only sell in 5Kg bales.

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[Hoppy]

Harvest was good for 2017, so should be good availability for Citra, and maybe lower in price. However a lot of commercial brewers also use Comet as a replacement.
Commercial prices for hops are usually by the Kg, as pack sizes maybe 5/10/20kg, it gives a level playing field on price.
@Sadfield,
Yes P45 are increased in concentration, but not 45% of original matter. eg hops with an original AA content of 8% may end up as 12%, or 5% to 8%. The reason these were introduced, you may have a variety, that for arguments sake ranges from 5.8-8.3. A global brewer, brewing at different sites may ask to have the hops 'standardised' to 10% so they are adding the same amount in the beer globally. Type 45 is more popular for lower AA hops, eg Saaz, where the AA may only be 1.5%. The volumes shipped could be halved too.
You are right, the lupulin is separated by cryo freezing the hops and a certain level of the leaf (petal) is added back. The problem occurs when you need to produce P45 pellets from high alpha hop, the concentration of lupulin prevents pellet (even for P90) being produced much above 22%AA, hence Cryo powder, as it is too high in AA/resin/oil to make pellet.

As to leaf, only about 1+% of hops remain as whole hop, globally<60% is made into pellet and <40% into CO2 and other hops products (oils, Iso-alpha, Tetra, Hexa oils etc), so the preference for leaf is only really in the UK (obviously a few exceptions, France, Italy a few in the US). As UK breweries expand and sell their old brewery off, (they usually move to pellet), which then gets bought and sustains the leaf need.
Fresh leaf does give very good results, but degrades quickly compared to pellet. Pellet does lose a little during production, but due to storage stability soon out performs leaf.

WBR
Hoppy

 

[Sadfield]

Commercial prices for hops are usually by the Kg, as pack sizes maybe 5/10/20kg, it gives a level playing field on price.
@Sadfield,

Not on SimplyHops or CharlesFaram when I've used them, but hey ho I'm sure you are right.

Yes they manipulate the alpha acids but the T45 still refers to a percentage of the hop yield. Less unnecessary material is still the end result. 100g of T45 will contain more Lupulin than 100g of T90, this results in more essential oils.
http://www.globalhops.com/products.html

 

[Hoppy]

Hi Sadfield, sorry it's not yield, just an old name and maybe yield for one or two varieties in the past, the proper name is standardised pellet, and yields I mention stand, which is more like 60%. My colleagues process in excess of 30 tonnes a day of P45 (or 50MT for P90) I know what our yields are, ie how many of my farm bales go in Vs weight out. P90 yields are nearer 100%, a minimum of 97 if the bales are a bit leafy. The info of that site is immensely out of date, or ill informed. I will see if it is one of my colleagues' accounts.

 

[Sadfield]

Hi Sadfield, sorry it's not yield, just an old name and maybe yield for one or two varieties in the past, the proper name is standardised pellet, and yields I mention stand, which is more like 60%. My colleagues process in excess of 30 tonnes a day of P45 (or 50MT for P90) I know what our yields are, ie how many of my farm bales go in Vs weight out. P90 yields are nearer 100%, a minimum of 97 if the bales are a bit leafy. The info of that site is immensely out of date, or ill informed. I will see if it is one of my colleagues' accounts.

Fair enough.

So, the 45 and 90 could have denoted % at some point, but through time yields have changed probably through improvements in process, although the designations Type 45 and Type 90 haven't?

Do you think Whole Leaf will eventually be phased out by the big hop suppliers?

Thanks.

 

[Wilfy]

There’s a bloke on Facebook selling 1kg for £40.