Citra & Calypso - Is this recipe ok??

[simon04]

Since previous discussions, I came up with this IPA recipe.... Would anybody be kind enough to look over it for me please???

Feedback much appreciated, Thanks!


Batch Size 23.000 L Boil Size 28.500 L
Boil Time 90.000 min Efficiency 64%
OG 1.058 FG 1.015
ABV 5.7% Bitterness 49.8 IBU (Tinseth)
Color 18.8 ebc (Morey)

2-Row Caramel Malt 60L 453.592 g
Carafoam 453.592 g
Pale 2-Row Malt Grain 6.500kg

Citra 14.2% 35.000 g Boil 15.000 min
Calypso 17% 35.000 g Boil 15.000 min
Citra 14.2% 25.000 g Boil 0.000 s
Calypso 17% 25.000 g Boil 0.000 s
Calypso 17% 40.000 g Dry Hop 0.000 s
Citra 14.2% 40.000 g Dry Hop 0.000 s

WLP007 - Dry English Ale Yeast

 

[NickW]

Perhaps IBU is too high. As in a recent post I did a brew with calypso, and it was at 43IBU, way too bitter. Doesn't seem to be fading. Calypso is 17% alpha or more. I feel this May have been the cause.... though... I did dry hop with 90g of it! It could be a heap of perceived bitterness

 

[simon04]

Perhaps IBU is too high. As in a recent post I did a brew with calypso, and it was at 43IBU, way too bitter. Doesn't seem to be fading. Calypso is 17% alpha or more. I feel this May have been the cause.... though... I did dry hop with 90g of it! It could be a heap of perceived bitterness

Good point... I'm always conscious of over-bittering, and sometimes the styles seem to want quite a high number!

The reason I've only added hops in the last 15mins, is that it seems like suicide to add 17% alpha at the start of the boil.....

 

[simon04]

anyone else?

 

[RobWalker]

hey

me and Nick were talking about his calypso brew the other day so I did some googling. It turns out it's super high in Myrcene, with few IPA hops topping it (Amarillo being one of them.) Because of this the bitterness can be quite rough. it's something to consider, particularly when you would just need to up the citra and reduce the calypso to compensate (I have no idea what citra bitterness is like, but I do like oakham citra.) But again, you'll probably make a cracking beer with no tweaking.

50 IBU looks about right imo, but what you should bear in mind is that 15 mins only bittering doesn't leave you much room to play and extraction basically drops out at 60 minutes, we arn't always on exact systems at home nor can we really test for IBUs and stuff.. I'd be much happier with a 60 or even 30 min bittering addition myself, and scale back the 15 minute additions a little in place of heavier dry hopping. That's just opinion though, I'm sure it will work fine :

 

[simon04]

hey

me and Nick were talking about his calypso brew the other day so I did some googling. It turns out it's super high in Myrcene, with few IPA hops topping it (Amarillo being one of them.) Because of this the bitterness can be quite rough. it's something to consider, particularly when you would just need to up the citra and reduce the calypso to compensate (I have no idea what citra bitterness is like, but I do like oakham citra.) But again, you'll probably make a cracking beer with no tweaking.

50 IBU looks about right imo, but what you should bear in mind is that 15 mins only bittering doesn't leave you much room to play and extraction basically drops out at 60 minutes, we arn't always on exact systems at home nor can we really test for IBUs and stuff.. I'd be much happier with a 60 or even 30 min bittering addition myself, and scale back the 15 minute additions a little in place of heavier dry hopping. That's just opinion though, I'm sure it will work fine :

I've heard that Citra isn't too good if boiled too long... I've also heard good things about of Oakham.

I'm now wondering if I should stick to separate known recepies... one Citra and one Calypso..

Though still often a guess as to whether they will be good or not

 

[simon04]

Here's what I did in the end;

http://www.brewtoad.com/recipes/citra-and-calypso-pale

It has to be my best brew yet!! :drink: Only been bottled 10 days too!!