Cheapest no rinse sanitiser

[Edison]

Yep, spray bottle is your friend here. Get a decent one, preferably made for chemical use a cheap garden ones can corrode inside.

I spray all surfaces and parts of my ss fv as I reassemble it after a thorough clean in PBW or similar and leave until my next brew. Before I put the wort in it I'll drain and give it another quick spray inside, drain and fill.
Spoons etc get stood up in a jug and sprayed a couple of times over a minute or so.
Kegs I do fill with 1L and shake, force through all tubes, taps and valves under pressure and drain just before filling.
Bottles the same, clean, rinse, spray with StarSan, cap with foil and shake. Leave until ready to use them (several months later) shake again, drain, fill, prime, cap.

I brew with RO water so always have a couple of containers of the stuff and making it with this it never goes off in the time I keep it for. Personally for the sake of avoiding wasted beer I pay up for the real thing and stick to a routine that has never allowed an infection in 5+ years.

 

[alfajerry]

If I made up a spray bottle at the indicated dilution, would the sanitiser stay 'active' over a long period of time?

 

[LeeH]

If I made up a spray bottle at the indicated dilution, would the sanitiser stay 'active' over a long period of time?

Using Distilled, RO or DI water it will last for months, use your pH meter to test it’s below 3.5 whatever you use.

 

[alfajerry]

Thanks LeeH.
Might have to buy a pH meter then.....

 

[damienair]

I make up a batch in a 5 litre container using 10 ml of Chem San. That 5 litre batch will do me for 2-3 brews. I just make sure that the FV's and other bits and bobs are clean, then pour in the mixed sanitiser, 5 litres. I put the lid on the FV and I swish the solution around turning the FV upside down and from side to side making sure that all of the inside is coated and has been in contact. I then coat the mixing paddle and whatever other pieces of equipment I am using. I also have some of the solution mixed up and in a spray bottle. I spray down the surfaces and equipment too. When I'm finished I get a funnel and empty the contents into the container again ready for the next time. I have a 250 ml bottle of Chem San which should do me a long time.

 

[LeeH]

Thanks LeeH.
Might have to buy a pH meter then.....

Keep it calibrated.
If you are a kit brewer just use pH paper.

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[jeg3]

I clean after each brew with hot soapy water, then spray with chemsan on brewday. I spray liberally and probably use about half a litre of diluted solution in each brew to sanitise everything. I never immerse but I do ensure everything is spotlessly clean

 

[Nidger]

Filling an fv is a mistake I made many years ago, and someone I was talking to the other day.


Not sure if cheaper but easier to obtain and still cheap, I use Milton.
I don't really measure. I have a small sanitise bucket and put a capful to about 3-4ltr.
It recommends 30ml per 5ltr. (1 capful).
Takes longer than chem/starsan.
(15 minutes contact)
Have some wine or beer whilst waiting.
At least there's no foam everywhere.
I pour some in bottle washer if bottling, swish it round fv with utensils in. (No spraying) run it through pipe. And just seperately douse any fragile items like hydrometer and stand in small bucket.
Its about £2.30 for a 500ml bottle.
Lasts 24 hours. I may bottle one day, pour back in bucket and use again later or next day to get another brew going

Theres a lot of other uses too.

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Good enough for babies and hospitals, good enough for me :)

 

[gavp1979]

I use chemsan because when I bought it starsan was not available in the UK. I just make up a 5 litre batch every few brews and swirl it around the fv then store it into a spare corny keg until next time I need it. At kegging time I swirl around the keg and push it out of the keg under pressure into whatever I have spare at the time to store it. I also have a couple of spray bottles full of it to spray spoons/thermometer etc during brew day.

 

[CD]

I don’t understand everybody’s aversion to rinsing. I wouldn’t personally put anything in contact with my beer that had been treated with a chemical and not rinsed. As I have mentioned before Antiformin S, available for £6.25 per litre bottle from home brew suppliers, is a combined cleaner and disinfectant widely used in the brewing industry, which is diluted at about 15cc per gallon of water, and is all I use. I rinse everything afterwards, and have never had any off flavours or other problems.

It would be nice to hear from other satisfied users of it.

 

[Ezza]

Cheapest=I know someone who uses a hand steamer to Sanitise his kit and says it works.

 

[Drunkula]

I don’t understand everybody’s aversion to rinsing. I wouldn’t personally put anything in contact with my beer that had been treated with a chemical and not rinsed

Ever drink milk? Star San was invented for the dairy industry as a sanitiser that wouldn't need a rinse. The foam is help it get into wee crannies.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Have a look at this - Cleaners or Sanitisers.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Here is a list of cleaners and sanitisers with dilution rates and a brief descriptions of how to use them.

(This was originally posted here many moons ago i take no responsibility if you follow any of the instructions and it all goes **** up)


As with all Cleaners and sterilisers Precautions must be taken, read the instructions, Wear rubber gloves and in some cases wear heavy duty rubber gloves, wear eye protection and don't spill them on any surface as they may be damages, most important keep out of reach of children!


Washing Soda 2 tablespoons per Litre
Also known as Sodium Carbonate. The crystals are dissolved in hot water and the equipment left to soak for about 20 minutes. Rinse equipment thoroughly after use. Not as effective as Caustic Soda and no sterilising power.


OxyClean 1 Scoop per 10 litre for light cleaning, 1 scoop per 2.5 litre for heavy cleaning.
Good all purpose cleaner with no sterilising powers. Best mixed with warm to hot water. Cleaning action lasts for 6 hrs. Do not store mixed solution in sealed bottles, the oxygen released will cause it to pop. Will need rinsing prior to sterilising.


Household Bleach 2.5ml per Litre
Can be used diluted with water to clean and sterilise plastic equipment and glass bottles. Thick bleach is better at cleaning as it foams and thin bleach is better at sterilising, Also don't use the fragranced stuff it may leave some flavours in your equipment.
Corrosive to stainless steel if left for any length of time and will also blacken and corrode brass and copper.
Needs thorough rinsing of cleaned items with hot water to remove any taints. Precautions needed when handling are goggles and rubber gloves.


VWP 1/2 teaspoon per Litre
An all purpose chlorine based cleaner/steriliser. Can be mixed to the above ratio in warm water will clean all your homebrewing equipment in around 10 minutes. It WILL release a chlorine based gas and care should be taken not to inhale it when you first add it to your water and any other time. Will need several hot water rinses to remove any taints that may be left. It's known for sticking around inside Fv's etc. Wear gloves and goggles.


Videne 1.25ml per Litre
You need the Antiseptic Solution not the Tincture. This is a No rinse solution at the above rate and is only a steriliser it has no cleaning powers and is Iodophor based. Can be mixed up into spray bottles and stored until it the colour fades, ideally with low alkalinity and Chlorine Free water.


Five Star, Io Star 1.5ml per Litre for a spray on solution.
A product from the USA same principals as Videne but has loads more info on the Fact sheets see Clicky. This sheet gives differing contact times per usage and strengths. But for most home brewers usage this would be the above ratio with 1 min contact time and drain, No need to rinse. Wear gloves and goggles.


Five Star, Star San 1.5ml per Litre
Star San is a blend of phosphoric acid and dodecylbenzenesulfonic acid and is also a self foaming sanitizer. It can be applied through a foamer to produce self-adhering sanitizing foam for external sanitation. It is not recommended to use STAR SAN on soft metals because of the acid nature of this product. At the above ratio a 1-2 min contact time is recommended, Star san is a no rinse sanitiser. Wear gloves and goggles.
Undiluted star San can bleach kitchen work tops.


Star San 1.5ml per Litre
Another disinfectant based on phosphoric acid which again doesn't need rinsing, this product is diluted with water and may be sprayed on items or just used as a rinse. The solution may be re-used as long as the pH stays below about 3.0. Not suitable for dilution with hard water as the alkalinity will partly neutralise the acid causing it to be ineffective. Precautions, use goggles and rubber gloves when handling the concentrated product.


Antiformin S 1-2% solution in cold Water
This product is a caustic based cleaner with an added chlorine donor. It comes supplied in liquid form and will thoroughly clean equipment whilst being effective against most bacteria. This is not corrosive to stainless steel when used at the recommended dilution and rinsed with hot water. But is corrosive to Aluminium and Zinc. Needs thorough rinsing after use. Precautions needed when handing are goggles and rubber gloves.


Caustic Soda 25 gram per Litre
Also known as Sodium Hydroxide, this cheap and powerful cleaner is available in crystal form and may be used for normal cleaning and sterilisation purposes by making up in cold water, or for heavily soiled items and stubborn deposits at 50g per 1L of water. The advantages are a very effective cleaner whilst also providing some degree of sterilising power.
A very thorough rinsing with hot water is necessary after use and this cleaner is strongly corrosive to aluminium, also will leave deposits on vessels when used in areas with very hard water. Precautions needed when handling are goggles and heavy duty rubber gloves, as this product can cause severe burns to skin.


Fam 30 5.5ml per liter
A Iodophor based disinfectant designed for dairy use as a no rinse terminal disinfectant, but also has cleaning powers at the above ratio's. Can be purchased from farm supplies stores and only comes in 5 ltr containers. An alternative to the more nasty Peracetic Acid. Use gloves and goggles


Peracetic Acid 10ml per Litre
This has in recent years become the standard disinfectant for the brewing industry and is a blend of hydrogen peroxide and acetic acid which is extremely effective against a wide range of bacteria. It's supplied as a 5% solution which is diluted with cold water and may be conveniently sprayed on pre-cleaned items. Can be used as a soak solution at the above rate, recommended contact time for soaking is 20 mins but anything over 30 seconds will have worked. Peracetic Acid may be used as a terminal disinfectant ½ immediately prior to use and does not require rinsing. Will not corrode stainless steel. Don't use on Copper or Zinc. No cleaning power. Extremely harmful to skin. Precautions needed are goggles and heavy duty rubber gloves strongly recommended. This is also a mucosal irritant, do not inhale, use in a very well ventilated area, the vapours alone will make your eyes stream.

Bar Keepers Friend - Preparation and Usage

• For: Ceramic, Stainless Steel, Granite, Copper, Chrome, China, Porcelain, Plastic, Glass, Brass, Tiles and Laminates
• Directions: Sprinkle Bar Keepers Friend onto a wet cloth or sponge, rub gently, and rinse. For more stubborn stains make a paste by adding a few drops of water, apply the paste, remove after 1 minute and rinse well. For brushed metal surfaces - rub in the direction of the brushed lines - https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/295789670

 

[Nidger]

I don’t understand everybody’s aversion to rinsing. I wouldn’t personally put anything in contact with my beer that had been treated with a chemical and not rinsed. As I have mentioned before Antiformin S, available for £6.25 per litre bottle from home brew suppliers, is a combined cleaner and disinfectant widely used in the brewing industry, which is diluted at about 15cc per gallon of water, and is all I use. I rinse everything afterwards, and have never had any off flavours or other problems.

It would be nice to hear from other satisfied users of it.

The amount is minimal to say the least.
I have on occasion rinsed the fv slightly but either way get no detrimental effect to taste.
Think about the minute percentage already in the sanitiser then a few drops left in fv diluted with
another 23ltr of water and compare that with some of the chemicals in a lot of foods.
I like no rinse for less hassle and time saved.



And trump said bleach is good for Corona

 

[danmac]

The amount is minimal to say the least.
I have on occasion rinsed the fv slightly but either way get no detrimental effect to taste.
Think about the minute percentage already in the sanitiser then a few drops left in fv diluted with
another 23ltr of water and compare that with some of the chemicals in a lot of foods.
I like no rinse for less hassle and time saved.



And trump said bleach is good for Corona

Fake news

 

[CD]

Ever drink milk? Star San was invented for the dairy industry as a sanitiser that wouldn't need a rinse. The foam is help it get into wee crannies.

Star San doesn't clean things though, whilst Antiformin S will remove dried on yeast inside PBs, FVs etc as well as sterilise them.

 

[LeeH]

Antiformin is the daddy. But unless you are in travelling distance to Murphys, it’s expensive.

 

[Ezza]

Antiformin is 15 quid for a litre on Amazon.

 

[danmac]

Antiformin is 15 quid for a litre on Amazon.

Just seen it for 6.95 not sure if that's with delivery though