brexit still on?

[Bigcol49]

But the ballot asked "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?" and most people voted to "Leave the European Union".
"Leave" means leave the EU, leave the CFP, leave the CAP, leave the customs union and leave the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice - with a two year transition period as laid out in Article 50 of the treaty on European Union.
There's no wiggle room there, no extended transition, "leave" means "leave".

Hi!
Yes, we've voted to get out, so let's get out (even though I myself believe we have made an error of judgement).
Politicians should stop bleating about "hard" Brexit and "soft" Brexit - let's cut off our nose to spite our face and simply pull out, even if it costs us billions. There are too many counting the cost and warning of the expense - let's just pay the money and go.
Bottom line - if we refuse to comply with the EU over CFP and CAP etc. what are they going to do - send in the bailiffs?

 

[Ajhutch]

Hi!
I'm sure that there are many thousands who don't actually know what they voted for when they chose to vote "Leave".
My mother is one example - she voted "Leave" simply because she didn't want immigrants in the UK. Other consequences were simply overlooked.

Fair point, but when you add up the individual reasons of all 17m, a full hard Brexit is basically the only way to unite them all.

 

[Brew_DD2]

I don't understand the finite points of it all but it seems like a complete circus....it's funny how the eu is so hell bent on screwing us on any deal and making everything so difficult when the only other countries who don't trade with them are probably around 2 and one of them is North Korea. ....we should tell them to shove it sideways with a broken brush handle.....

Perhaps because it is not in their interest to make it an attractive proposition for member states to leave..? Why should we be the only country that can have its cake and eat it? We were never going to get a deal that was more favourable than what we already had with Europe.

 

[Ken L]

Hi!
I'm sure that there are many thousands who don't actually know what they voted for when they chose to vote "Leave".
My mother is one example - she voted "Leave" simply because she didn't want immigrants in the UK. Other consequences were simply overlooked.

Such is the nature of democracy - it's democratic and not limited to people who meet your standards for eligibility.
People have died many times to make it that way and from the efforts of Simon de Montfort through to the suffragette movement and the 1969 Representation of the People Act, efforts to make voting rights universal are generally considered to have been positive moves.

If it helps, I'm sure plenty of people voted to remain for no better reason than they are afraid of change..

 

[Ken L]

Hi!
Yes, we've voted to get out, so let's get out (even though I myself believe we have made an error of judgement).
Politicians should stop bleating about "hard" Brexit and "soft" Brexit - let's cut off our nose to spite our face and simply pull out, even if it costs us billions. There are too many counting the cost and warning of the expense - let's just pay the money and go.
Bottom line - if we refuse to comply with the EU over CFP and CAP etc. what are they going to do - send in the bailiffs?

You are simply repeating scare stories from the same silly sources that predicted the total economic collapse of Britain in the months following the referendum.

 

[GerritT]

You are simply repeating scare stories from the same silly sources that predicted the total economic collapse of Britain in the months following the referendum.

and don't forget WW3, pestilence and famine.

 

[Thumper]

I honestly think the majority of voters knew how they were going to vote before the lies started.

Probably true, if depressing.

 

[Thumper]

most people voted to "Leave the European Union".
"Leave" means leave the EU, leave the CFP, leave the CAP, leave the customs union and leave the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice

No it doesn't. It means leave the EU.

 

[Ken L]

No it doesn't. It means leave the EU.

And how is leaving behind the internal organs of the EU not implicit within the vote to "Leave the European Union"?

It's like deciding to divorce your wife.
Voting to divorce the woman means voting to leave the ****s too.

 

[Bigcol49]

You are simply repeating scare stories from the same silly sources that predicted the total economic collapse of Britain in the months following the referendum.

NOT GUILTY!
There's going to be no negative economic consequences in leaving the EU?

 

[Bigcol49]

No it doesn't. It means leave the EU.

Hi!
We can't leave the EU and still be beholding to that organisation. We go and we're gone - we can't be party to any agreements made by member states.

 

[Thumper]

And how is leaving behind the internal organs of the EU not implicit within the vote to "Leave the European Union"?

It's like deciding to divorce your wife.
Voting to divorce the woman means voting to leave the ****s too.

An excellent analogy

And I was just being facetious; it doesn't really work in text form. Apologies.

I've already said that completely out seems the best of the options we are realistically left with.

 

[Ken L]

An excellent analogy

And I was just being facetious; it doesn't really work in text form. Apologies.

I've already said that completely out seems the best of the options we are realistically left with.

No worries.
200 years down the line, we will most likely have a global government in one form or another but I'm very much of the opinion that the fundamentally undemocratic nature of the EU makes it a false start on the road to that future.

 

[Chippy_Tea]