brexit still on?

[Ajhutch]

An interesting read, written by the MEP for the South West, on the apparently illegal tactics employed by the Vote Leave campaign in the run up to the referendum. What I did not previously no is that prima facie evidence of illegal activity has already been established.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2046032798952700&id=1547078692181449

It's for reasons like this that I am rapidly beginning to believe that a revote is the more democratic option.

Because absolutely nobody would break any rules in that one, pinky promise. Highly likely that both sides broke rules, and highly likely that all sides break rules in every election we ever had.

I just think we need to let brexit happen. We Remainers lost. We aren’t winning the arguments now, and time is being wasted. I’m lucky, I’ll probably still be alive in 30-40 years when we have another vote about going back in, and until then I’d like it if our politicians did something else!

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Hi!
Administrators: this isn't going to end prettily. Any chance of closing this thread - after all, this is a home brew site.

Please feel free to expound your version of the truth, but is this forum really the place for pseudo-political argy bargy

The Sung is described as - "A place for all non brewing chat" so is the place for pseudo-political argy-bargy or any other discussion as long as it is within the rules if members do not want to see posts from the snug they can now be blocked (See posts 487/488) - https://www.thehomebrewforum.co.uk/threads/new-site-teething-troubles.75486/page-25#post-748426

 

[Ken L]

An interesting read, written by the MEP for the South West, on the apparently illegal tactics employed by the Vote Leave campaign in the run up to the referendum. What I did not previously know is that prima facie evidence of illegal activity has already been established.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2046032798952700&id=1547078692181449

It's for reasons like this that I am rapidly beginning to believe that a revote is the more democratic option.

And what of the impropriety of the remain campaign?

 

[Thumper]

Because absolutely nobody would break any rules in that one, pinky promise. Highly likely that both sides broke rules, and highly likely that all sides break rules in every election we ever had.

I just think we need to let brexit happen. We Remainers lost. We aren’t winning the arguments now, and time is being wasted. I’m lucky, I’ll probably still be alive in 30-40 years when we have another vote about going back in, and until then I’d like it if our politicians did something else!

Initially, I was of the same opinion. "Stop whining. I dont like it either, but we lost. That's democracy."

But the more I learn about this, the more apparent it becomes that this was not a free and fair referendum. I simply don't see how we can allow this to stand. We're supposed to be a democracy.

 

[Thumper]

And what of the impropriety of the remain campaign?

What of it? The remain campaign hasn't been accused of any wrong doing. What you link to is a list of groups with the same aim.

But more importantly, this isn't a competition, and cheating doesn't cancel out cheating. If both sides cheated, that's more reason to call a revote, not less.

Again, we are supposed to be a democracy. I can't work out why people aren't more angry about this.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

But the more I learn about this, the more apparent it becomes that this was not a free and fair referendum. I simply don't see how we can allow this to stand. We're supposed to be a democracy.

Both sides lied and no doubt continue to do so how can we have another vote.

 

[Thumper]

Both sides lied and no doubt continue to do so how can we have another vote.

Having another vote is easy. Ensuring this one remains above board is more complex. But that doesn't mean it's impossible.

For me it's more about the principle of the thing. If we allow a vote to stand when we know full well that illegal activity occurred, then how long until that becomes commonplace? How can we call ourselves a democracy with a straight face when we just swallow things like this?

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I doubt many voters based their choice on what we were being told as from the word go we knew we were being fed BS, it has been discussed many times why those that voted out did so and as far as i am concerned what we were fed before the vote will not have changed their opinion.


If we were to have another vote would we now have 3 options Hard Brexit, Soft Brexit, No Brexit?

 

[Saisonator]

Having another vote on BREXIT will just further uncertainty and effect our economy even more.
Also even though I voted remain, the way the EU try to bully us just makes me hate them more than ever before.
I don't know if I could vote remain again.

 

[Ajhutch]

Having another vote on BREXIT will just further uncertainty and effect our economy even more.

This is true. There’s uncertainty about it for my job, but it’s not the fact of Brexit so much as the not knowing what it will look like. I don’t want another however many years of that.

 

[Ajhutch]

Also even though I voted remain, the way the EU try to bully us just makes me hate them more than ever before.
I don't know if I could vote remain again.

This bit I have less time for. The EU are behaving in an entirely predictable way to protect their project in the belief it’s bigger than the loss our departure will cause. We can agree or disagree but there’s no point trying to claim it isn’t reasonable.

 

[Ken L]

What of it? The remain campaign hasn't been accused of any wrong doing. What you link to is a list of groups with the same aim.

But more importantly, this isn't a competition, and cheating doesn't cancel out cheating. If both sides cheated, that's more reason to call a revote, not less.

Again, we are supposed to be a democracy. I can't work out why people aren't more angry about this.

Not sure whether you noticed that my post was a link but generally speaking the Electoral Commission doesn't get to levy fines on organisations that have done nothing wrong.

 

[Bigcol49]

The Sung is described as - "A place for all non brewing chat" so is the place for pseudo-political argy-bargy or any other discussion as long as it is within the rules if members do not want to see posts from the snug they can now be blocked (See posts 487/488) - https://www.thehomebrewforum.co.uk/threads/new-site-teething-troubles.75486/page-25#post-748426

Hi!
Rebuke humbly accepted, and deservedly so.

 

[Ajhutch]

Hi!
Rebuke humbly accepted, and deservedly so.

See, mild mannered!

 

[Chippy_Tea]

the way the EU try to bully us just makes me hate them more than ever before.
I don't know if I could vote remain again.

I didnt vote as I could not make my mind up but I was leaning towards leave I would now vote leave if there was another vote for the above reason.

 

[Bigcol49]

Hi!
Why are we surprised that lies were told in the campaign leading up to the ballot?
It was run by politicians.
The only difference being that our lies were better than their lies.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Hi!
Rebuke humbly accepted, and deservedly so.

I hope you didn't take it that way Col as it was not meant as a rebuke, the Snug has always been the marmite forum and we get more complaints about it than any other forum, people can ignore it but the problem is they cannot avoid seeing posts in it if they use the "new post" link, we now have a means of stopping members seeing them should they wish.

 

[Bigcol49]

Hi @Chippy_Tea
Perhaps "rebuke" was a little to strong, but I appreciate the reminder that the Snug is exactly the place to express opinions, such as the ones expressed on this thread and my original post was out of order.
It's just that some of the threads and posts seem to be deliberately inflammatory, and I burst into flames when I read them!
I respect the individual's right to express an opinion, but I am tired of hearing from people with a mouth big enough to express an opinion, but a brain too small to form one.
PS of course, no-one on this forum.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Believe me the snug is a bitch to moderate if non of the other mods are online, for some reason members seem reluctant to use the report button even though it is anonymous and would rather express their views directly in the forum which often leads to the sort of posts you refer to, I have started to delete off topic and what I see as trolling posts but as non of us are here 24/7 it's sometimes difficult to keep on top and this is the reason I occasionally lock a thread when the arguments are going round in circles.

 

[marshbrewer]

Pretty much debunked, Thumper; linky

Think about it ~ the vast majority of the establishment (most MP's, the civil service, big business, legal profession, etc etc) don't want to leave. If there was anyway they could call the result void, they would be all over it. They aren't, because it's a nonsense, in fact the Remain side were more blatant in their electoral 'cheating'.